Haven, I am sorry that your own problems with Erwin Z has prompted you to close the thread I started last Summer, " U500 crash, two firefighters killed". This is probable one of the most important threads on the Portal. The info gleamed from this thread could save lives. ErwinZ has been instrumental in getting good solid info on the accident and has been able to get the BLM accident reports. Please remember; two men died. Verkstad's comments were way more offensive than any thing that Erwin Z posted on this thread. Please let the info flow. The BLM is scrambling to cover their asses and trying to relieve themselves of liability. Read the whole thread from start to fiinish and I think you will understand where I am coming from. Thank you. Please remember; two young men died doing their job, fighting wildland fire and driving a U500 Unimog.