1986 S10 Blazer Expo Build

GeoTracker90

Adventurer
Well I think that I'm going to revive a Blazer that I've had sitting for a couple of years. First off the pictures.

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The body is nice and straight for its age. I'm planning on swapping in a 4.3L V6 and associated transmission/transfer case in place of the dead, little 2.8L combo.

Suspension will consist of either a 2" Rough Country Lift or just cranking the torsion bars in the front. In the rear I will probably start with an add-a-leaf and trim with longer shackles from there as needed. Here is a picture of the front suspension kit that sells for $429.00.

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I will end up running either a 31" or 32" tire and user this vehicle as my daily driver as well as my weekend escape.

I would like to keep the rear seat usable so that I can haul all of my family. Because of this I'll be adding a drawer system behind the rear seat, as well as building an expedition trailer to haul the bulky stuff.

This will be my first expo build, any advice for me before I begin?

Oh, I must say that this wont be the fastest build but it should be fun.

Mike

p.s. I have a tube bender with a 1" square die that I'll use to make a killer roof rack as well.
 

Grim Reaper

Expedition Leader
Fair warning. I wheel with a guy that has one. It’s amazing where he went with it (all over Tellico including Guardrail and slick rock) with the IFS BUT he went through a LOT of tie rods in the process. Junk yard yourself a few and preset them to the correct lengths. I would keep two sets in the truck at all times. Other then that it has not had any major problems. It does like to pack in the radiator with mud so be aware of that and it may require pulling the radiator periodically to clean between it and the A/C Condenser.

32’s would be tough with 2 inches of lift. They are tight in the fender wells.
 

GeoTracker90

Adventurer
Reaper,

Thanks for the heads up about the Blazer. Good to hear that your buddy gets around as good as he does with his. As far as the tie rods go what problems does he have? Are they getting loose or falling apart?

As for the issue with the mud goes, it also is good to know but as a general rule I try and avoid mud as much as I can. I hate the clean up.

With the 32" tires I would add a mild body lift if needed. It will just depend on what tires I have when that time comes around. I might just swap over the 31's from my Tracker.

One last thing. Does this guy have his Blazer set up for expedition use or just a general hit the trails 4x4? I would be interested in seeing what mods he has made for expedition duty.

Thanks!

Mike
 

Grim Reaper

Expedition Leader
The tie roods are in compression when the front wheels are pulling Get a wheel at full suspension extension and the tie rod gets at a pretty good angle and given enough traction it will bend.

Did you ever see the H2 Video where the H2 is climbing a rock and all of a sudden it breaks and the wheels get pointed at each other? Same exact problem on the S trucks.

http://www.gbr4wd.com/members4x4/critesc/crites.html is some pictures of it but all are after a SAS. Trying to find some pictures before the SAS.
 

HenryJ

Expedition Leader
Pass on the 2" suspension lift. They put the CV joints at severe angles as well as cause ball joint problems.
I would suggest getting a set of Bushwacker cut-out flares. Open the wheel wells and keep your CG low.

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My old truck had 36" tires with a 3" bodylift. I dropped down to 31" and the fit is pretty good.
I would also suggest sticking with the 60 degree V-6. The 4.3L swap requires lots of modification, plus a transmission and transfercase.
The 3.4L engine is a good choice. That is what I did for mine. Thunder Chevy

I have 90k miles on that 3.4L crate engine now.

I haven't had any tie rod issues, but I don't rock crawl either. Mine is a high desert terrain with volcanic rock. Mostly broken basalt and shale.

Ball joints wheel bearings and idler arms are the popular parts for replacement.
There are lots of good s-series sites out there for suggestions on upgrades.
 

HenryJ

Expedition Leader
This is good timing in reference to the lift you pictured above:
Ellis said:
Ellis Vega to me

show details 8:49 PM (1 hour ago)
Hi brule happy christmas and happy new year i hope you have a good time
with your family
when you have a second do me a favor write in the forum the rough country
2'' lift kit does nottt work for s-10 that is a big waste of time and a big
waste of money the superlift ones may be is expensive but wil work better in
our trucks its almost destroy my drive train when a finish with all the pain
im havin with this lift kit i will send pics to you
thanks for all your advices
 

GeoTracker90

Adventurer
HenryJ said:
This is good timing in reference to the lift you pictured above:

HenryJ,

That is interesting information and I would like some more information. From what I have heard Rough Country makes the kits that Superlift is selling. From the Superlift website the front lift kit is priced at $596.43 (part #3103) and for the front/rear kit the price jumps up to $852.57 (part #K451).

Here is a picture of the front kit from the Superlift website.

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Also I wanted to thank you for posting the picture of your old S-truck. That looks like one clean ride. As it sits in the picture, and from your description I'm thinking that it has 31" tires, 3" body lift, and the Bushwacker Cut-out Fender Flares. Is this an accurate description? If I'm off let me know.

Guys, I've got a lot more to post in regards to the other peoples' posts that they added yesterday, but I'll have to try and get cought up tonight after work. Right now it's breakfast time and then out the door to put in my time for today.

Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts on this.

Mike
 

HenryJ

Expedition Leader
GeoTracker90 said:
As it sits in the picture, and from your description I'm thinking that it has 31" tires, 3" body lift, and the Bushwacker Cut-out Fender Flares. Is this an accurate description?
You are correct. The t-bars are turned up enough to level it out.

I would not use the 2" kits. The upper a-arms are only used since the stock a-arms are not long enough to set the camber with the over clocking of the t-bars with the new keys.
As I mentioned before , the CVs are at severe angles and the balljoints beyond the normal operating angles. Bad move all around if you plan to take it offroad and want it dependable.
Using the aftermarket a-arms and not raising it will not work. You would have excessive positive camber. You will see no gains in droop. That requires cutting the bump stops and is still limited by the a-arms ball joints. You can get more drop, but it will break the lower ball joint.

The first gen have a difficult sway bar arrangement. I would seriously look into fitting a sway bar from a second gen to yours. This would give you the possibility to disconnect the front sway bar. That really makes this truck float over the terrain nicely.
Check out this thread: S-10CREWCAB.COM - Front sway bar quick disconnect
 

GeoTracker90

Adventurer
Shovel said:
I wheel an S10 Blazer (01 ZR2) and have owned/wheeled a 1992 "box" S10 4dr as well.

My advice is go mild on the suspension lift - you can get about 3/4" out of the IFS cranking your existing keys and that's still CV boot safe, and adding longer shackles to the rear will have a dramatic positive effect on flexibility and smoothness (yes, really)

The lift kit pictured above in your post may still be a good investment, just don't crank so far (or re-use your old keys?) and you'll get the improved droop-ability of the new A-arms & BJ's without worry of worn boots. Suspension droop is valuable because not only does it improve comfort and control on badly pitted roads, it also reduces rollover likelyhood by reducing uncontrolled axial movement as a result of 3-wheeling. Improvements in forward traction under "droop" condition are debated but in my understanding of things when rubber contacts earth there's some traction, period.

I think that in the suspension I will start by cranking the torsion bars a little bit. I'll then fabricate some extended shackles to level it out some. Easiest and cheapest.

Driving with an expedition "Get there, safely" mindset will keep your tie rods safe (yes, really) but it's not bad advice to have a spare or two.

I like your thinking. This isn't going to be a desert racer or a rock crawler. Just a daily driver that will take me into the boondocks on the weekends.

If it was mine to modify, I'd do a 1" or perhaps 2" body lift, crank the T-bars half to 3/4 of an inch, add lift shackles to the rear and 31" tires. You will need to do some minor trimming to the rear fenders for 31's but it's easy and minor and won't look bad. If you need to beef up the rear springs for added weight, I would recommend still using shackles as the initial lifting method and then adding overload coils for weight handling - because of the additional comfort and flexibility enhancement offered by longer shackle arc.

I'll probably add the 2" body lift to make it easier to access the upper bell housing bolts. Oh yeah, getting the rocker panels 2" higher and having more room for tires won't hurt either.

Justifications:
  • first and foremost that's all that's necessary (strictly speaking lift/tire) to get you virtually anywhere it's worth being, obvious exceptions being "bottomless" snow and "show off" trails like Helldorado.
  • with few exceptions, simple = reliable
  • with few exceptions, off the shelf parts are easier to replace/repair than custom wackyness - AND safer.
  • 31" tires are among the least expensive flotation sizes available, and offer you the most choices
  • an expedition rig must take into account fuel efficiency, range, driver comfort (for safety), benign appearance (safety from vandalism, LEO scrutiny, local statutes) , repair availability away from home, weight, street performance, etc etc and this usually means staying as close to stock as your off-highway requirements allow.
  • a body lift makes vehicle repair, maintenance easier - and typically has a dramatic effect on engine cooling, valid if you travel the southwest.

Other considerations:
  • If possible, it might not be a bad idea to put ZR2 axles under your rig. You'd have to research if the spring perches really are in the same place (width) as on your 7.5" rear axle. This gives you dramatically stronger axles, disc rear brakes (98+ ZR2 axle), 3.73:1 gears (I assume you have 3.55 now), a locking diff (Gov-Lock), and a slightly wider stance.
  • 3.4L engine is an easier way to go than a 4.3 - unless you want to replace your whole drivetrain. With a 4.3 you need a new trans, new Tcase, new driveshafts, new motor mounts, bigger radiator, etc etc etc. while with a 3.4 you just bolt it up in place of your existing engine. Though I suggest installing a TBI setup on the 3.4 to maximise reliability and power delivery - use the factory throttle body and injectors from a TBI 4.3 with the engine computer and intake manifold from a 2.8L Trooper or Rodeo and you're golden. Alternately use the whole MPFI system from the donor vehicle. Good donor vehicles for the RWD 3.4L engine are 94-96 camaros
  • A great early addition to your build would be a new rear bumper that incorporates a receiver hitch with better departure angle, so you can get rid of that anchor you have now. Make sure the new rear bumper has beefy ends that wrap around the body, because those corners are gonna take a beating.
  • While you're at it, a simple but beefy front bumper w/ shackles or hooks is an excellent idea because your factory tow hooks are dangerous and useless and the factory front bumper can't be hi-lifted safely.
  • If you're going to make a new roof rack, make it replace the factory one entirely rather than bolting onto it. Incorporate a spare tire nook on it or keep your spare tire on the floor inside, because a "real" tailgate is a beautiful thing and swing-away carriers are a constant hassle.

I'm buying a 1993 4-Door Jimmy and I plan on swapping the entire drive train over into the '86. Granted there will be a wiring harness, computers, etc. to swap but in the end I'll be happy with the extra power and stouter transmission. I'll probably swap the axles as well. I wonder what gear ration is in the 1993? Oh, and custom built bumpers will be in the works at some point as well, that's for sure.

That's all I got for now, good luck & I hope some of this helps you decide on your direction.

Thanks for your input. I can tell that you put a lot of thought into it.

Mike
 
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GeoTracker90

Adventurer
Shovel,

Thanks for the information. Unfortunatly the guy that said he would sell me the 4-door turned out to be a liar and sold it to someone else after we had came to terms of the sale and had a verbal agreement on the price. Oh well.

For now I'm still going ahead with the idea of swapping in a 4.3L V6 and 700R4 trans. I hope to have a NP231 transfer case as well.

I've started to pull the old drivetrain out of the Blazer in preperation for finding another suitable donor. Tonight I got some jack stands under the frame and pulled the rear drive shaft. I've previously pulled the exhaust manifolds off of the engine as well as all of the accessories and the front bumper and grill and radiator.

I started thinking about how much of a pain it will be to get to the top two bell housing bolts when I get ready to split the trans and the engine. Then it hit me, do a body lift first to gain access to the bolts and also make room for the 235/85R16 tires that IO plan on running. I got looking around the shop and found some UHMW plastic rod that I had cut to length and drilled for another body lift that never was installed. The rod is 2" diameter and 3" long with a 1/2" hole drilled through the rod lenght wise.

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Now I need to round up ten 12mm x 160mm bolts of a 10.9 grade. This should end up being pretty cost effective for the body lift, considering the fact that I'll be using material that I had laying around. Untill I can round up the bolts I'll probably get the exhaust chopped out, and get the transfer case dropped out.

Untill then....

Mike
 

GeoTracker90

Adventurer
Well this project is going to get some new life breathed into it. This past weekend I picked up a 2.8L V6 out of a 1988 Camaro. This engine came with the wiring harness and computer so I may attempt to retain the MPFI system from the Camaro, after all it is rated to be 10hp stronger than the TBI version in the Blazer.

I also rounded up the bolts that I was looking for in order to do the body lift. I think that I'll do that first so that I can reach the top bell housing bolts easier when I swap the motor in.

With any luck I'll get out to the shop this weekend and get some pictures.

Mike
 

GeoTracker90

Adventurer
Well I was able to get some shop time in today and spent some time getting the 2.8L Camaro motor cleaned up and checked out some. I stripped off the rest of the wiring harness and also hooked up the jumper cables to do a little bench testing. I pulled all of the spark plugs and gave each cylinder a shot of WD-40. I would have used engine oil but I could not find the oil can to sdave my life!! I guess it is time to clean up the shop again.

With the compression gauge I checked every hole and was pleased with the results. On every cylinder the initial puff sent the needle on the gauge up to the 75 psi mark. The actual compression readings ranged from 135psi to 150psi. I believe that they would have all been closer to the 150 range if I wasn't running the starter off of jumper cables hooked to the battery in the Tracker.

Next step is to clean the garage, get the Blazer back inside, and get the old motor out. Oh yeah, put the body lift on so that I can get at the top two bellhousing bolts too.

Mike

(I would have posted a couple pictures, but I left the camera in the shop.)
 
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XCR600

New member
rough country lift

I was thinking of puting that 2in rough country lift on my truck but i dont know if it will do anything becasue i already have my t-bars cranked and an add a leaf in the back. I was wondering if any of you could help me. Would it make any difference or just a good but considering that it gives you new a-arms and 4 new shocks. Thanks
 

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