A Better Primary Filter/Strainer for ZJ Fuel Pump

Doctor W

Adventurer
I'm wanting input based on experience and maybe some ideas on this folks:

I've got a 97 ZJ (ZG really) and I'm in the Australian outback (Northern Territory) where fuel is just plain dirty with crap! Very few fuel places have final coalescing filters on their pumps. Last year in Far North Quennsland (Cape York area) I had the fun experience of having to spend about 2 weeks waiting for a complete Fuel Module to be flown in from RockAuto to a landing strip near where I was!

On ZJ's you can't put a hose down the fuel tank inlet and siphon out fuel - it's got something stopping it. You can't usually get at/remove pump without dropping the entire tank!!!!! (Sheer design genius....NOT!)....it makes the job even harder!

I had plenty of time and internet access so looked at heaps of Jeep sites etc and googled also. I found out about "Swampy's Fuel Pump By-pass" but it wouldn't quite work on my model (1997+) because my fuel pressure regulator is integral with the Fuel Pump Module. This module scews down with a ring and contains a fuel pump (duh!), the fuel pressure regulator, a primary filter screen and a small secondary filter and assorted piping, the fuel level float and rheostat, hoses, springs, gaskets etc all inside a long cylindrical plastic case. It has at the top a fuel outlet (only) and a liquid/vapour line to the Evap cannister and a multi plug connector......It's easy to replace the whole thing with a new inexpensive (US$ 180) delivered by air, for a good US made Carter replacement which I got - or you can go Chinese for half that price or genuine Bosch for double the price.

However being a curious man I carefully opened up the old one and found that the primary filter/strainer was simply blocked up with crud.....I cleaned it up and tested it and found it to work fine.....now I've got it and its component parts as spares. I also had twice replaced the tertiary cannister type filter and cut one open to find it clean! All the gunk must get stopped by the first and second filters!

I did however, while the module was out, cut a nine inch circular hole in the floor of the boot to make for easy access to the wretched thing!

OK....now at present I've got exactly the same symptoms again....typical fuel starvation problems after going on long stretches of bad corrugations, which stirs up all the sediment in the tank and it gets sucked up by the pump onto the filter/strainer. The fuel tank is pretty full and I'm going to wait till I get down to a fairly low level to take out the module and clean the strainer.

But this is not a good scenario, having to clean it out at often inconvenient times by removing it from the tank which will also require a new module gasket.

Does anyone have any better ideas or improvements on this present set up. Ideally I'd like to have a disposable filter out side of the tank........I've got a few ideas, but I'd like more input......and this has been a really long post!
 

reece146

Automotive Artist
I got nuttin'...

Can you gut the stock fuel pickup/pump unit and run a hose through the remain shell of the unit and then add replacement components outside the tank? Leave the sending unit for the fuel gauge in there of course... stick a pump and regulator outside?

I don't know how many people here will be helpful for this issue. The number of diesel Jeep owners here can probably be counted on one hand. Maybe try some of the other 4x4 diesel sites? Surely this isn't a unique setup to the Jeep?
 

K2ZJ

Explorer
Get the fuel pump and inline filter from a 93-95? Pre filter the gas? Is there an easy way to do that? Other than that, the cut the hole in the floor trick is common for ZJ guys.
 

K2ZJ

Explorer
I got nuttin'...

Can you gut the stock fuel pickup/pump unit and run a hose through the remain shell of the unit and then add replacement components outside the tank? Leave the sending unit for the fuel gauge in there of course... stick a pump and regulator outside?

I think that is the swampy bypass he was talking about.
 

Doctor W

Adventurer
I got nuttin'...

Can you gut the stock fuel pickup/pump unit and run a hose through the remain shell of the unit and then add replacement components outside the tank? Leave the sending unit for the fuel gauge in there of course... stick a pump and regulator outside?

I don't know how many people here will be helpful for this issue. The number of diesel Jeep owners here can probably be counted on one hand. Maybe try some of the other 4x4 diesel sites? Surely this isn't a unique setup to the Jeep?

It's NOT a diesel, just the common garden variety 4.0L I6 petrol!

The "Swampy's Bypass" does put the pump outside near to the cannister filter, but I need a regulator and no return fuel line set up on my model (97 OBD2)
 

CRJeepin

Observer
I'd look at installing a fuel pump external to the tank, stripping the guts out of the existing in-tank piece and using it as a pick-up only, and then sticking in an external filter that is easy to access. I've been eyeing the fuel filter that Stu Olson tried on his jeep, the writeup is on his website: http://www.stu-offroad.com/engine/flomax/flomax-1.htm

I don't know much about the ZJ and am having difficulty visualizing exactly what the configuration you're describing is, but wanted to share this filter link as it appears to be designed for exactly the type of duty you're using your jeep for. The filter manufacturer (Flo Max) should be able to advise if it can go before the pump, or needs to go after (if it's better to Push fuel through the filter or Pull fuel through it). The fuel pump should be selected to match, believe most are designed to push but not tolerate much pressure "pulling".

Good luck, I hope this ramble has helped!
CR
 

jeep-N-montero

Expedition Leader
I will run this by my friend Dave who is an engineer and overall Jeep genius, he built his own external setup for his Scrambler that runs a 99 TJ motor.
 

Doctor W

Adventurer
I'd look at installing a fuel pump external to the tank, stripping the guts out of the existing in-tank piece and using it as a pick-up only, and then sticking in an external filter that is easy to access. I've been eyeing the fuel filter that Stu Olson tried on his jeep, the writeup is on his website: http://www.stu-offroad.com/engine/flomax/flomax-1.htm

I don't know much about the ZJ and am having difficulty visualizing exactly what the configuration you're describing is, but wanted to share this filter link as it appears to be designed for exactly the type of duty you're using your jeep for. The filter manufacturer (Flo Max) should be able to advise if it can go before the pump, or needs to go after (if it's better to Push fuel through the filter or Pull fuel through it). The fuel pump should be selected to match, believe most are designed to push but not tolerate much pressure "pulling".

Good luck, I hope this ramble has helped!
CR



I LIKE!! that filter.....and he's mounting it into a TJ (99???) with in tank pump.....but he doesn't show he gets the fuel from the tank and what he does with the original filter/screens (I assume 97-99 TJ's are same as my 97 ZJ....after 99 ZJ' and XJ's and TJ's(???) get rid of the post pump cannister filter, Jeep obviously found that the crap gets caught by the first screen/filter ( maybe 100-200 microns) and tiny secondary filter, leaving the cannister superfluous.

This Flomax filter can be used on the suction side, so I need a good suction type pump that will give 49 lbs pressure AND a regulator that will work in with the system - one that DOESN'T use a return line.

I'm sure I need a new external pump and regulator, anyway I don't like the idea of the present pump chewing up all sorts of crap if the present screen/filters are removed.
 
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Doctor W

Adventurer
I will run this by my friend Dave who is an engineer and overall Jeep genius, he built his own external setup for his Scrambler that runs a 99 TJ motor.

I'd appreciate that!......I can't be the only guy in the world who's got this problem.

Does your friend use the original Scrambler's fuel pump/filter system?.....A 99 TJ 4.0 just needs to have 49lbs of pressure @ a pint a minute approx to run. It won't have a fuel return line - unless he's swapped in a pre-OBD2 injector rail/regulator onto the 99 4.0 motor. It won't have the OBD2 PCM on the Scrambler....or does he?
 

jeep-N-montero

Expedition Leader
I'd appreciate that!......I can't be the only guy in the world who's got this problem.

Does your friend use the original Scrambler's fuel pump/filter system?.....A 99 TJ 4.0 just needs to have 49lbs of pressure @ a pint a minute approx to run. It won't have a fuel return line - unless he's swapped in a pre-OBD2 injector rail/regulator onto the 99 4.0 motor. It won't have the OBD2 PCM on the Scrambler....or does he?

I think he said he is running the computer from a 93 XJ.
 

Doctor W

Adventurer
I think he said he is running the computer from a 93 XJ.

Then he's probably running a pre-96 fuel rail/regulator that has a return line to the tank.....but check that with him please.

Also I'm not even sure if 93 is even OBD1.....can you check that too please.

I want to keep my current OBD2 PCM.

I "think" I can get a lift type pump that sucks the fuel thru a decent filter, then pressurises the fuel to approx 50 psi, but that will require a regulator (that's getting and sending signals to the OBD2 PCM) that controls the pump and doesn't use a return line (no provision for it on the plastic moulded tank or the module top that fits into the tank).

My present set up has a (approx) 5 micron canister filter (size = 3" X 8") on Unibody above rear axle, after the pump/regulator, but it stays clean because all the crud is stopped by the small "sock" pick-up filter screen and a tiny in-line filter ( 1/2" X 1" cylindrical) in pipe leading to pump (all of this is inside what they call the "Fuel Pump Module" and most parts (bar the regulator) can be separately replaced OR the entire module replaced (which is what I did only about 11 months ago...... BTW, from 99 on Jeep didn't fit a canister filter any more so WJ's and post 99 TJ's will also suffer very badly.
 

Doctor W

Adventurer
I was going to do it yesterday.....but put it off, and when I went into town the engine started the "fuel starvation sputter".....so I'm taking all the stuff out of the back, peeling back the carpet, unscrewing the cover panel, taking out the fuel module and cleaning the little pick up screen then putting it all back!.....This'll take at least half a day and it's going to be 38oCelsius (approx 100oF)

I'll then start to reseach fuel pumps and filters so that I don't need to do this again!
 

magnum_waggy

New member
...but that will require a regulator (that's getting and sending signals to the OBD2 PCM) that controls the pump and doesn't use a return line (no provision for it on the plastic moulded tank or the module top that fits into the tank).

The ECM shouldn't get feedback from the regulator. All the mopar fuel injection computers I've dealt with assume the fuel pressure is correct.

For a return line from a external FPR, couldn't you run the line to the fuel fill hose using something like this (not my picture, 1st thing from GIS that looked good)
 

Doctor W

Adventurer
The ECM shouldn't get feedback from the regulator. All the mopar fuel injection computers I've dealt with assume the fuel pressure is correct.

For a return line from a external FPR, couldn't you run the line to the fuel fill hose using something like this (not my picture, 1st thing from GIS that looked good)
From my close reading of the Factory Service Manual the OBD2 PCM controls the regulator and thus the pump by: (1) Limiting pump running for only first 30 seconds while attempting each start, (2) allowing pump to run only while engine is running, relying on regulator to control pressure, (3) turning off power after a collision......so the PCM link to the regulator in the module is pretty important.

If I have to run a return line I'll keep this design in mind, it looks to be pretty easy to have made up by a skilled workshop. But my current thinking is to gut the module and fit a pump to unibody with a filter before it. The pump would be wired up to present regulator to control its functions and the pressure at the fuel rail, not requiring a return line.
 

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