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Mine would like to learn manual shift, but right now I don't have one. I have been teaching him the basics of wrenching on the Yukon and Odyssey, and the Protege will be good for that too. I have a couple of dirt bikes and a four wheeler that all require some work too. I finish my master's...

I would have killed for the GTX. I probably still would... so my parents gave him an Mazda Protege that they no longer wanted. Problem solved for a while anyway, but it creates another problem: I have some extra cash... what to do with it... :D

All thoughtful comments; some of them I had not considered. Thank you all for responding.

I was looking for a Grand Cherokee for his first car, but I came across this. Whatever, I get, I was planning on making it capable for mild trails, and then when he goes off to college, it becomes whatever I want it to be... so technically, it's not really his. :ylsmoke: I don't know a whole lot...

I thought the frames on those older Burbs were weaker? The 91 and older... compared to the newer ones.

Good point. I am the same way, except that there is also wife, kids, house maintenance, work, shuttling my son to two hockey teams, boy scouts... plus he will have his license next year so the plan is to get him a daily that will slyly turn into an off roader. He is not going to daily that...

Did someone say Travelall? Considered looking at this... not in horrible shape. But I won't have time until the master's degree is done. https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/1971-travelall/6227409620.html

I live about an hour from there. I should go look at it just for the heck of it... see if I can take it for a spin. :smiley_drive:

Is that a Goldendoodle and does he come with the truck? :elkgrin:

Yeah, the more I thought about it that van won't work. I did just find another 90 Econoline with a mild conversion (no raised roof) for $900 with 15,000 miles on it! But I think for now I will stick with a basic truck, and work towards the van I really want. Thanks for the advice.

My ex-wife can get her own van, so that would only be 4. :sombrero: However, my son is 12 and bigger than some adults. He and his sisters will be tall, so yer right. I wish I had never seen the camper van thread... My bank account is in severe jeopardy.

I had not noticed that sub-forum before but I will check it out. I have 3 kids, not sure we could all sleep in that.

We had a hockey game near there last night but I talked myself out of seeing it. Most I would be pulling is a quad and a dirt bike or two, maybe the pop up by itself. What really fits my needs in my price range is generally not nearly as nice as this. I have never been inside a camper van...

Trying to convince myself to not go look at this. Been looking for 4x4 truck/suv for hauling toys and the pop up camper to the dirt park, and maybe some very light trails... but I stumbled upon this and I'm quite enamored... I think 4x4 vans rock, but didn't even bother looking for any cause of...

I am relatively good with fixing things. Diagnosing problems is not my strong suit, but this would be a 2nd vehicle anyway so fixing it quickly isn't always necessary. I hate to join forums for vehicles I haven't bought but I joined Planet Isuzu so I can snoop around. I think I will look at it...

Are parts still pretty much available for these? I did some searching and it appears there are, but just because you can see them doesn't mean they are available. Like my 1975 Honda Elsinore dirt bike... you can see all the parts listed, but a lot of them are no longer available.

Talked to the owner last night. He says it runs, but it runs bad as speed increases...which is pretty vague. Plus the fan doesn't work, which means it can't very well be a winter beater until that is fixed too. I will probably go look at it this weekend.

So I would just be feeling for rust? Hmmm... What about the AC? I don't use it a lot but if I have the kids in it, it's sometimes necessary. I assume at this age they use R12, not R134. Retrofitting possible? Or at that point maybe I should just find something newer...

I was wondering how I was going to get the four wheeler and dirt bike to the dirt park- problem solved! I have yet to hear what is wrong with it, but I can fix a good amount of things myself. I have a mechanic that would look it over too. There seems to be people that think the 2.8 is garbage...

Having just bought a gigantic old town car known as The White Whale, I need something cheap to use when the weather is bad. Found this. Haven't seen it or contacted seller about it but probably will today. Think it would be worth the risk if I can get it for $1000? It's in the rust belt... There...