Thread: AT IT AGAIN: Paul and Mike Convert a Mid/Tall T1N Sprinter Cargo

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    Mike I really wish I had seen this thread this earlier...we could have had Paul build two of everything and we could have shared in the expenses (for when I drop this in my AWD version next year)...

    This is really nice. Any idea of the total weight of all this wood? I was wondering if there was another media that was easily craftable that was lighter. LIkely not in a one-off situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GR8ADV View Post
    Any idea of the total weight of all this wood? I was wondering if there was another media that was easily craftable that was lighter.
    Thanks for the complement, Ken. It's coming along well.

    No, I don't know the weight of the wood, but it's not much. 1/2 inch plywood almost everywhere; I'm going guess 150 pounds maximum. You could save weight, at substantial expense, by going with one of the laminated honeycomb materials they build the interiors of aircraft out of, but it wouldn't seem worthwhile.

    The weight issues in Sprinter conversions are often more involved with the systems. In my first one, for example, with 400 pounds of batteries, 400 pounds of fresh water, 200 pounds of grey water, a big fridge and much else, the weight of the casework was a pretty small portion of the total weight, and that was a heavy laminated particle board construction. Plywood is much lighter still, so all in all, you may find that the fresh water you want to carry is about as heavy as all the cabinetry.
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    Good points as always Mike.

    I hope to make it down to have a look. It is on display in April somewhere right?

    Tell me about your thoughts on not having a dedicated bed this time. If I recall you had one in the back of the previous Sprinter right? Space vs the need to collaps the living area for sleeping is always a tough call for me. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.

    Did I miss a pic of the overall floor plan? My wife says I am a lousy looker, so it is possible I missed it. Wait, does she mean I don't look good, or I don't look good.

    thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GR8ADV View Post
    I hope to make it down to have a look. It is on display in April somewhere right?
    Well, my friend, you're welcome any time, but yes, it will officially be on display on April 12 at Northwest SprinterFest in Tualatin, Oregon. (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/121567) Independent of the fact this particular Sprinter will be there, there have historically been 30-40 others, so I always tell people that it's a good place to go to see the full spectrum of what people do with their trucks. There's also a fair amount of expertise in attendance, so it's good for learning what works and what doesn't.

    Tell me about your thoughts on not having a dedicated bed this time. If I recall you had one in the back of the previous Sprinter right? Space vs the need to collapse the living area for sleeping is always a tough call for me. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
    The previous Sprinter's floor plan, with the dedicated crosswise bed across the back was a good layout, but it was good principally because it enclosed a rear "mechanical/storage" area that was very useful:

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    But in this one, there's no propane, no Power Tank, the fresh water tank is smaller, the batteries are under the floor, and there might be times that we'd need the aisle free for hauling home ten foot boards . . . all these things suggested we go without the rear storage area and resulting full time rear bed.

    Lots of people are willing to sacrifice for a permanent bed. Most European camper cabins have a big permanent bed even when it means they just have enough space for dinette seats for two; seems like everyone is ready to give up a comfy sitting spot for a permanent bed. But I think these are people who can live outside the camper better than we can. If it was used in a place where you got up and started playing around outside, used the cabin just to cook and bathroom in, and did stuff outside until bedtime, that's a good tradeoff. But you know as well as I do that up here it's easy to hit a trip where the weather keeps you in the cabin for days at a time. When that happens, having gone with a bed good only for sleeping instead of one also good for sitting and eating would seem a bad idea.

    Plus, there are a lot of campers with crummy sofa beds, but we don't have one . . . the sofa here is more of a bed to begin with, having a five-inch-thick permanent foam mattress with no breaks in it. And it's big, being fully 30 inches wide and 76 inches long. The second bed will be narrower, more like 25 inches, but it'll still have a 3" thick pad. Way better than sleeping on a collection of bottom and backrest cushions. And we tested all of this out in the "prototype" and know that it'll work well for two and be palatial for one. And with the over-cab bedding storage cubby Paul built, it won't take any time at all to get the cocoon-style sheets and sleeping-bag style blankets deployed or put away.

    In exchange for going without the permanent bed (and bath), we have an extremely spacious interior--much more so than our last one or any commercial floorplan--that has a lot of room to look out. In fact, having learned from my prototype the excellence of the "sit on the sofa and look out the slider door" experience was probably what got the van designed this way.

    Did I miss a pic of the overall floor plan?
    You didn't miss it, since I'm not sure we did one, having built it in disposable plywood to show it to Paul instead. Let me know if you want something measured, though.
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    Anybody else need a PJ fix?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GR8ADV View Post
    Anybody else need a PJ fix?
    Shouldn't be long. He's back from teaching the Japanese how to make wooden surfboards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mhiscox View Post
    Shouldn't be long. He's back from teaching the Japanese how to make wooden surfboards.
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    Welcome back!

    It felt a bit empty without your daily updates...

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    Welcome back...Jet Lag much?

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    (above) The industrial grade carpet tiles were installed with inexpensive latex based flooring adhesive...


    (above) Mike found the stuff at Home Depot...


    (above)The carpet and the ceiling fabric were the starting points for the rest of the color and fabric plan...


    (above) The rest of the drawer pulls have been installed...


    (above) I like how smooth, flush and non-protruding everything is...


    (above) So much stuff in a small space, yet it feels amazingly spacious...The windows are the difference as is keeping the vertical space between the windows open...


    (above) The drain for the waste water tank was taken through the floor...


    (above) The stainless steel flex hose has a garden hose fitting on the end...To drain the waste water tank, a hose could be attached or a bucket could be put under the fitting...

    If it was up to me, I'd just be conservative with the water use, not use a tank, and let the water just drain to the ground...It is basically, just water...Call me irresponsible...

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