Where is everyone getting their cans
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greg.potter
Adventurer
Princess Auto has also been selling brand new Wavian metal NATO Jerry cans. They are the cat's pyjamas.
onebowtiedguy
Observer
just to give everybody a meltdown...
/just an experiment, haven't got the viton gaskets yet. And Krylon Fusion paint does NOT work on fresh-ish HDPE
Just a FYI the scepter water cans are "NOT" made from the same plastics as the scepter fuel cans. i would not suggest putting water in a fuel container and then drinking it as its not food safe treated........ nor would i suggest putting fuel in a water can.... very quickly the gasoline will erode the water container.
PetitFrereArmada
Explorer
No, I did not buy the spouts there. I do not have spouts for this cans. I instead bought a siphon from ebay to use with my can.
Ever since I came across plastic jerry cans, I have decided I will never buy the metal kinds. The metal jerry cans do rust, especially the cheaper priced ones. They rust really fast. Sometimes even before first use. Or as soon as you use it, oh it definitely rusts from then on. So, that is why I decided never to ever buy metal gas cans for overland trips.
pugslyyy
Expedition Vehicle Engineer Guy
just to give everybody a meltdown...
/just an experiment, haven't got the viton gaskets yet. And Krylon Fusion paint does NOT work on fresh-ish HDPE
That looks great. For the paint you need to sand/prime or prime with a paint that is advertised as adhering to plastic. Or go the whole heating to change the ionic charge route, but that's probably not worth the effort.
I'm not sure that I would use a diesel or gas can for water, but I would give using a water can for diesel/gas a try. But that's just how I roll.
rayra
Expedition Leader
A.) I am almost certain that scepter fuel cans are made from the same HDPE-2 as their MWCs and LCI's MWCs. I'm seekign that evidence right now and will likely call Scepter myself if I can't dredge up their MSDS data. Scepter shoots a 'liner compound) inside their MWCs which is almost certainly clear lacquer paint, same as food canning companies shoot inside their tin cans. Regardless, the 'liner' is not part of the mil contract specification and LCI MWCs are not lined in any way. The degeneration of the lacquer MAY be the source of the lore about not putting gas in a Scepter MWC. But there's also the issue of gasketing / sealing.
2.) "very quickly the gasoline will erode the water container" is quite simply horse manure. Lots of HDPE-2 containers used for gasoline and a lot worse things (more pics on this to follow shortly), without such dire consequences. In fact no consequence at all. Also, see: https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=10&f=17&t=627874 wherein a gent has fuel in an LCI MWC for a YEAR without trouble.
III.) Your predictions of doom are further undermined and brought into question by your contacting me to offer me a scepter MFC at the ridiculous price of $125. Missing the entire point of the investigations into using MWCs, because the MFCs, even used, cost too damned much.
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rayra
Expedition Leader
Here's some info Dustin Hoffman can use on Plastics. (that's a joke for the other old farts, you Millenials probably won't get the reference)
A primer on the types of plastics used in various containers, in this case 'food safe'.
http://www.badplastics.com/safe-plastics.html
USPlastic.com is a go-to source for all manner of plastic objects and containers, for bulk storage or food items. They have a decent knowledge base as well as a comprehensive variety of goods. They are often referred to by folks on 'prepper' forums for the ubiquitous 5gal bucket food storage method. They have a brief article about food safe buckets
http://www.usplastic.com/knowledgeb...sionGUID=336e7c2c-39a8-4028-5267-ab0aa826d281
which links to these buckets, made of High density Polyethylene (HDPE-2)
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=25038&catid=752
Most open containers made of HDPE-2, the only concern is what was used for a mold release. For 'food safe' production - and as a lubricant for food-processing machinery by the way - that choice is mineral oil. Baby Oil. Which is a petroleum distillate.
most closed containers, roto-molded or blown containers, There's nothing on the inside but the bare plastic.
Some various containers made from HDPE-2
Our friend, the milspec MWC
We'll kick off by kicking the bucket, the classic Home Depot 'homer' bucket
base and 'neutral' fluids, milk and water.
then into slightly more caustic things, like detergent and bleach
...then we slide into the acid category
...into the petroleum distillates
... and we'll just wrap it up with DRANO, as the most caustic stuff I have laying around.
so tell me again how gasoline will turn an HDPE-2 MWC into goop?
But pardon me for belabouring the point, the topic is WHERE to get the cans, not WHICH cans to use. Just felt I needed to respond to that outrageous disinformation.
A primer on the types of plastics used in various containers, in this case 'food safe'.
http://www.badplastics.com/safe-plastics.html
USPlastic.com is a go-to source for all manner of plastic objects and containers, for bulk storage or food items. They have a decent knowledge base as well as a comprehensive variety of goods. They are often referred to by folks on 'prepper' forums for the ubiquitous 5gal bucket food storage method. They have a brief article about food safe buckets
http://www.usplastic.com/knowledgeb...sionGUID=336e7c2c-39a8-4028-5267-ab0aa826d281
which links to these buckets, made of High density Polyethylene (HDPE-2)
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=25038&catid=752
Most open containers made of HDPE-2, the only concern is what was used for a mold release. For 'food safe' production - and as a lubricant for food-processing machinery by the way - that choice is mineral oil. Baby Oil. Which is a petroleum distillate.
most closed containers, roto-molded or blown containers, There's nothing on the inside but the bare plastic.
Some various containers made from HDPE-2
Our friend, the milspec MWC
We'll kick off by kicking the bucket, the classic Home Depot 'homer' bucket
base and 'neutral' fluids, milk and water.
then into slightly more caustic things, like detergent and bleach
...then we slide into the acid category
...into the petroleum distillates
... and we'll just wrap it up with DRANO, as the most caustic stuff I have laying around.
so tell me again how gasoline will turn an HDPE-2 MWC into goop?
But pardon me for belabouring the point, the topic is WHERE to get the cans, not WHICH cans to use. Just felt I needed to respond to that outrageous disinformation.
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onebowtiedguy
Observer
do you want to learn something OR....
......RAYRA .....Do you already KNOW IT ALL ??
Its too bad you were insulted by my offer of the genuine red scepter mfc available to purchase so Im going to up the ante
If you can show me the factory UN approval for the transport of dangerous goods on the scepter water can you have? and then look at all the containers you pictured? then look at a scepter MFC study its symbols their meanings and the specific testing that *UN*with the circle approved for dangerous goods cans pass I'll send it to you for FREE
you seem to think the scepter mfc and mwc are the same just cause they are HDPE2
one meets a stringent UN certification for the transportation of dangerous goods.... the other ....does not:Wow1:
your promoting a bad idea by suggesting people could use a water can for gas. or a non approved container for the transportation of dangerous goods.
you might want to consider becoming an expert in horse manure.... and its uses..... instead of scepter containers.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/tdg/moc-smoc-faqunspeccontainer-208.html#whatisit
......RAYRA .....Do you already KNOW IT ALL ??
Its too bad you were insulted by my offer of the genuine red scepter mfc available to purchase so Im going to up the ante
If you can show me the factory UN approval for the transport of dangerous goods on the scepter water can you have? and then look at all the containers you pictured? then look at a scepter MFC study its symbols their meanings and the specific testing that *UN*with the circle approved for dangerous goods cans pass I'll send it to you for FREE
you seem to think the scepter mfc and mwc are the same just cause they are HDPE2
one meets a stringent UN certification for the transportation of dangerous goods.... the other ....does not:Wow1:
your promoting a bad idea by suggesting people could use a water can for gas. or a non approved container for the transportation of dangerous goods.
you might want to consider becoming an expert in horse manure.... and its uses..... instead of scepter containers.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/tdg/moc-smoc-faqunspeccontainer-208.html#whatisit
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Mountainhound
Explorer
When I was logging I used and many I know use/used a windshield wiper fluid jug for saw gas never ever melted or destroyed the container and still use the saws. To no ill effects.
......RAYRA .....Do you already KNOW IT ALL ??
Its too bad you were insulted by my offer of the genuine red scepter mfc available to purchase so Im going to up the ante
If you can show me the factory UN approval for the transport of dangerous goods on the scepter water can you have? and then look at all the containers you pictured then look at a scepter MFC study its symbols their meanings and the specific testing that *UN*with the circle approved for dangerous goods cans pass I'll send it to you for FREE
you seem to think the scepter mfc and mwc are the same just cause they are HDPE2
one meets a stringent UN certification for the transportation of dangerous goods.... the other ....does not:Wow1:
your promoting a bad idea by suggesting people could use a water can for gas. or a non approved container for the transportation of dangerous goods.
you might want to consider becoming an expert in horse manure.... and its uses..... instead of scepter containers.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/tdg/moc-smoc-faqunspeccontainer-208.html#whatisit
mccustomize
Explorer
Wow.... moving on, I live close to a large mil base and I routinely find Sceptre cans in the surplus stores and craigslist. I can cross post the deals I find on here if anyone would want me to?
rayra
Expedition Leader
......RAYRA .....Do you already KNOW IT ALL ??
Its too bad you were insulted by my offer of the genuine red scepter mfc available to purchase so Im going to up the ante
If you can show me the factory UN approval for the transport of dangerous goods on the scepter water can you have? and then look at all the containers you pictured? then look at a scepter MFC study its symbols their meanings and the specific testing that *UN*with the circle approved for dangerous goods cans pass I'll send it to you for FREE
you seem to think the scepter mfc and mwc are the same just cause they are HDPE2
one meets a stringent UN certification for the transportation of dangerous goods.... the other ....does not:Wow1:
your promoting a bad idea by suggesting people could use a water can for gas. or a non approved container for the transportation of dangerous goods.
you might want to consider becoming an expert in horse manure.... and its uses..... instead of scepter containers.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/tdg/moc-smoc-faqunspeccontainer-208.html#whatisit
Whatever man. Doesn't change the fact that you were posting BS about MWCs dissolving, while with the other hand you offer an MFC at a ridiculous high price. That's pretty unethical. And now you cap your hypocrisy with an appeal to authority.
I'd ask you to post a picture of the BOTTOM of that jug, where the plastic type branding should be, but I don't consider you trustworthy. I can wait for someone else without a financial interest to do so.
In the meantime, I'm glad you've found a profitable niche where you can double your money by lawfully buying MFCs in Vancouver and reselling them to US residents to circumvent our government induced artificial shortage. Just don't ask me to pay double or lie to me to make the sales pitch. And don't preen about government approved containers, while you are knowingly violate my government's restrictions about selling them to US residents. Obey all of the rules or none of them, but don't moralize about only following the ones that suit you.
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rayra
Expedition Leader
I'm sure you would find no end of customers, if they are priced reasonably.
PetitFrereArmada
Explorer
East Coast Overland
Adventurer
Home Depot sells them now too in Canada and for 1/2 the price of Princess Auto.
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