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Thread: Canadians... What's it really like?

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    I question how effective a handgun will be for self defence in a bear attack situation for larger bears. The noise might scare it away, but the actual impact I am not so sure.
    Lot of folks in Svalbard carry the ’monster’ handguns .500 S&W, 454 Casull, etc. But any gun, its all about where a bear is hit if its to die quickly. According to my friend who travels there, rifles & shotguns are preferred by most. Probably for pricetag reason & longgun is much easier to control. Many will also carry a 26mm flarepistol first to try scaring away if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nasko View Post
    On the other issue, I think our laws here, as hard and difficult they are to understand, are doing a good job. I used the bombs and chemical weapons just as an example, obviously I have no desire to own either. To me, they are just as useless as black rifles.. The concept of owning/carrying firearms for self defence is foreign to me. Canada is a safe country and I honestly have never ever felt the need to arm myself.
    Due all respect I don't agree that our gun laws are doing a good job. Laws never stopped criminal from doing crimes, ignoring the laws is pretty much a requirement for them to get a job. Just look at the news, police busts drug rings and shows all kind of confiscated firearms - prohibited AK, prohibited short pistols, restricted guns - you name it. Not to mention that criminal never bother to get a firearm license. I think we don't have mass shootings in Canada not because we have magazine restrictions and licensed gun owners people can't buy AK-47 in Canadian Tire. I think it has something to do with people, not with gun laws. Switzerland or Czech Republic for example has way more relaxed gun laws, but there's less violent crime than in Canada. Or if you even take US some states are safer than Canadian provinces and it's not states with stricter gun laws.

    In Canada I'm fine with background checks and training requirement and some other small stuff, but a lot of rules are just not helpful. Magazine limitations, guns prohibited by name or restricted by name, handguns barrel length restrictions - all this is just a harassment of law abiding gun owners in my opinion. If pin in a magazine falls out or gets broken and you don't notice it - you're in possession of prohibited device and instantly become a criminal with mandatory jail minimum. If you left disassembled shotgun on workbench in your home and left home for a minute - you're risk a criminal record for improper storage. If you have a big enough land and good backstop you can shoot targets from non-restricted rifles there but risk jail time if you use restricted rifles like AR15 or handguns. Non-restricted rifles can become prohibited overnight and had to be surrendered without compensation. If you don't guess what - you're in possession of prohibited device - mandatory jail time.. Even if you forget to renew your license - you're in unlawful possession of firearm and could easily go to jail. There are many examples of our gun laws, those just few of them. And of course if you're a good citizen and are nice with police and judge you most likely will be spared of jail time - just a criminal record and you lose all your guns and license after spending tens of thousand dollars on lawyers.

    I never felt need to carry a gun in my day-to-day life as well, but I know that there are quite a few cases when people needed to protect themselves. Just google case of Ian Thomson as a biggest one.

    I understand that you're not interested in restricted firearms but I think you should understand that gun laws are not getting any better in Canada and if we don't stand for each other and allow government take away our guns one by one, we will end up in situation like in Australia or UK.

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    Better to have an not need, then not have and find yourself needing.........and the shotgun is fun to bring along as well.......

    My newest hiking companion. An Etro ATA 09 (14") About the shortest and most compact firearm I can figure to carry in the bushes. I've been looking at the Ranch Hand type short rifles, but they aren't really any shorter than this little thing.

    My Wife just completed (and passed) her PAL and RPAL) firearms licensing course. On the back wall of the classroom, their was a big sign that said "Because the Government says so". Anytime a student in the class would ask why a certain firearm in Canada was considered restricted (ie: an AR-15) and another is considered non-restricted (ie: an SKS), or ask the instructor a question regarding our convoluted and confusing firearms laws they would just point to the sign.
    On a side note, My Wife, who in the past never had a fondness for handguns, and prior to my bringing them into our home would have never wanted one in her house, is now excited at the fact that once her license arrives she can start shopping for her own first handgun and schedule some training with her instructor. (insert proud Husband emoticon here)
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    So the rural US gun crime rate matches the Toronto city rate. Because of no non white people?

    You need to start over with this line of reasoning.




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    Quote Originally Posted by SunFlower View Post
    The gun crime rate in Montana, Idaho and North Dakota are the same as Canada. Canadians like to brag they have a "safe" country due to strict gun laws but in fact its because they DONT have blacks and Hispanics. Fact.
    WOW...... Racist much? Seek help dude, Seek help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NevadaLover View Post
    WOW...... Racist much? Seek help dude, Seek help!
    No, you need help. Facts are not racist. It is a fact (as provided by the US DoJ) that Blacks are arrested for violent crimes at 5.35 times the arrest rate of other ethnicities. The results from all US annual crime reports are based on factual data, and reveal a serious culture of violence in these communities. When you blindly call facts racist, it brings into question the veracity, pragmatism, or true objectives of your agenda.

    Sources: https://2kpcwh2r7phz1nq4jj237m22-wpe...Crime-2016.pdf
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2014/table..._2005-2014.xls

    Here's a recap for your reading pleasure:

    -There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups.

    -In 2013, a black was six times more likely than a non-black to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race.

    -In 2013, of the approximately 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were the perpetrators 85 percent of the time. This meant a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. A Hispanic was eight times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.

    -In 2014 in New York City, a black was 31 times more likely than a white to be arrested for murder, and a Hispanic was 12.4 times more likely. For the crime of “shooting” — defined as firing a bullet that hits someone — a black was 98.4 times more likely than a white to be arrested, and a Hispanic was 23.6 times more likely.

    -If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent.

    -In an all-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.

    -In 2015, a black person was 2.45 times more likely than a white person to be shot and killed by the police. A Hispanic person was 1.21 times more likely. These figures are well within what would be expected given race differences in crime rates and likelihood to resist arrest.

    -In 2015, police killings of blacks accounted for approximately 4 percent of homicides of blacks. Police killings of unarmed blacks accounted for approximately 0.6 percent of homicides of blacks. The overwhelming majority of black homicide victims (93 percent from 1980 to 2008) were killed by blacks.

    -Both violent and non-violent crime has been declining in the United States since a high in 1993. 2015 saw a disturbing rise in murder in major American cities that some observers associated with “depolicing” in response to intense media and public scrutiny of police activity.

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    Great US stats. Now find out how many of your bad guys exist in Canada and start over.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SunFlower View Post
    The gun crime rate in Montana, Idaho and North Dakota are the same as Canada. Canadians like to brag they have a "safe" country due to strict gun laws but in fact its because they DONT have blacks and Hispanics. Fact.
    Canada has no black or Hispanic people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigSense View Post
    No, you need help. Facts are not racist. It is a fact (as provided by the US DoJ) that Blacks are arrested for violent crimes at 5.35 times the arrest rate of other ethnicities. The results from all US annual crime reports are based on factual data, and reveal a serious culture of violence in these communities. When you blindly call facts racist, it brings into question the veracity, pragmatism, or true obkectives of your agenda.
    Oh sorry mister ethnocentricity, didn't mean to send you off on hatred based rant of ignorance but... if you really think that getting rid of black people or any other culture for that matter will drop the crime rate significantly then I have to believe that you are criminally stupid or completely insane!
    So once again I say seek help adolph, seek help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pntyrmvr View Post
    Great US stats. Now find out how many of your bad guys exist in Canada and start over.
    I personally don't care about Canada, so you can do the research. I provided (quite convincingly) the research from US stats.

    Quote Originally Posted by NevadaLover View Post
    Oh sorry mister ethnocentricity, didn't mean to send you off on hatred based rant of ignorance but... if you really think that getting rid of black people or any other culture for that matter will drop the crime rate significantly then I have to believe that you are criminally stupid or completely insane!
    So once again I say seek help adolph, seek help!
    Facts are not racist, and your refusal to accept them is partially why the US is experiencing such issues. You neglected to advise that I did not advocate for the removal of a certain race. You are what we call an apologist. My post was filled with hard data, yours..... not so much. Don't know if the help you need (ignorance) is available. Only you can seek it.

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