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Thread: 2013 F450 Lance Camper Utility Bed Build

  1. #31
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    duals are squirrly. sic

    im the leading expert on what cannot be accomplished with duals. for i have tried all combinations of earth surface beneath my duallies

    top of the list of unaccomplishables is:
    is going off road
    most of my adult life i have been the pilot of a dual rear wheeled truck. much of that time off road and overloaded.
    clumsy beasts, they will get u stuck on any surface, and of course the overloaded truck is impossible to unstick. jerk it with a chain ,push it with a track hoe or dozer they skid along merrily plowing through the mud jamming up between the duals and squeezing into the brakes. so now you have , in good weather 100 pounds of tire and wheel on each end of the axle jammed with goo, weighing 200 pounds, and your posi unit is burning up trying to spin both of these globs at once. i learned to go with open diff as they will last forever. and of course are useless when stuck.

    mud, is the worst, unless u count sand, or snow. Stay home if its icy, and on bloomin' wet pavement they aint so smiley either. and they tend to bust posi units out quickly, and brakes get hot.
    but they tow nicely ;if you have drum brakes they slack off

    i promise u that you will find roads your srw took ,are impassable with duals.

    tip: buy, or after a severe snow storm, gather up big truck tire chains thrown off passing trucks; 3 railers they are called , jack up your rig and put them on then measure and cut them down to size to fit your rig. 3 railers have 3 longitudinal chains wth the cross ribs between for traction. learn to put these on laying on your back in a puddle of sweat and melted snow, do it b4 u need them, as putting them on after u need them is impossible.

    having shot my mouth off i can say that the only trucks i own are duallies-fords mostly.

    so they are good for something, like cross winds and stock trailers, thats about all they are good for
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  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by 'round n' back again View Post
    duals are squirrly. sic

    im the leading expert on what cannot be accomplished with duals. for i have tried all combinations of earth surface beneath my duallies

    top of the list of unaccomplishables is:
    is going off road
    most of my adult life i have been the pilot of a dual rear wheeled truck. much of that time off road and overloaded.
    clumsy beasts, they will get u stuck on any surface, and of course the overloaded truck is impossible to unstick. jerk it with a chain ,push it with a track hoe or dozer they skid along merrily plowing through the mud jamming up between the duals and squeezing into the brakes. so now you have , in good weather 100 pounds of tire and wheel on each end of the axle jammed with goo, weighing 200 pounds, and your posi unit is burning up trying to spin both of these globs at once. i learned to go with open diff as they will last forever. and of course are useless when stuck.

    mud, is the worst, unless u count sand, or snow. Stay home if its icy, and on bloomin' wet pavement they aint so smiley either. and they tend to bust posi units out quickly, and brakes get hot.
    but they tow nicely ;if you have drum brakes they slack off

    i promise u that you will find roads your srw took ,are impassable with duals.

    tip: buy, or after a severe snow storm, gather up big truck tire chains thrown off passing trucks; 3 railers they are called , jack up your rig and put them on then measure and cut them down to size to fit your rig. 3 railers have 3 longitudinal chains wth the cross ribs between for traction. learn to put these on laying on your back in a puddle of sweat and melted snow, do it b4 u need them, as putting them on after u need them is impossible.

    having shot my mouth off i can say that the only trucks i own are duallies-fords mostly.

    so they are good for something, like cross winds and stock trailers, thats about all they are good for
    1992 FORD F-350 Crew 4X4. 460 gas, Manual 5-speed. Sky's Offroad Design shackle reversal, Atlas Spring spring packs, Falken 37x12.5-17 Wildpeaks Trailready 17x8.5 beadlocks, Warn Winches front&rear, Odyssey AGM Batteries, Power Master. Centramatic Dynamic Wheel Balancers. Pressure Pro TPMS. Maxima Racing Fluids, Vision-X, JE Reel, Crap Ind.
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  3. #33
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    haha don't that look familiar!!!


    lord, i hate mud.

  4. #34
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    Default 41" Goodyear G275's

    A few months ago I tried to do an update through my phone and thought it went through, but apparently it didn't! In any case I have been busy the last 6 months, mostly with life and getting married and not as much building truck. However I finally did get the tires on.

    Went with the Goodyear G275 41" tires. In order to accommodate them I had to do a few things.

    1) Took advice from another board member S2DM and went with Double Designs fiberglass fenders. They mated up pretty well, with these fenders and some clearancing/welding they were able to fit the 41" tires without a lift which was the goal to keep COG down.

    Tires with stock fenders removed.
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    Like S2DM, I cut off the front support, but I welded in a tube bracket to support it higher up were I think he reused the stock cut off. With the tube bracket it didn't interfere with the headlight and didn't rub the tire when turning and flexing.

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    2) I had to move the bumper forward 4" for now. I used longer bolts and these spacers to do it.
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    3) Already had my tires on order from Stazworks. They do good work but it took 3 months to get them! I opted to go with the beadlock donuts and at the spacing they are completely rotatable to any corner.

    4) I re-geared with 5.38 ring & pinion. When regearing I added a limited slip in the rear Dana 110, with an Eaton "True Trac". Added an Auburn gear e-locker for the front. I'm hoping this helps in snow conditions!

    Immediately following the gearing I installed the tires. Final Product:
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    The Stazworks tires I ordered with balancing beeds. To make sure they don't get past the donut he installs 2 air filters into the holes in the beadlock donuts. Stazworks came up with that solution. When I opened up my Stazworks wheels, which are split with the plastic beadlock inside, I had absolutely no beads that got past the beadlock. Most of them were stuck to the tire where they should be actually. I ended up vacuuming them all out because I was getting a really bad shimmy at high speeds and pursued another form of balancing. When driving 10 hours a day it gets on your nerves!
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    My end solution to help the balancing was to vacuum out all of the beads and take them to a Goodyear truck service center who had a large enough balancer for my tires. I also was concerned about the inner beadlock donut, and was considering splitting the rim and removing it for balancing and then reinstalling marking where the tire and rim was, but I figure that in itself will cause more problems moving things around so I would just balance with them in place and hope they are negligible in how they affect the balancing.

    After balancing I also added the centramatics and they seem to do well at nipping the final balancing of the tire. Perhaps they compensate for any movement of the donut?

    In the end it still has a little bit of a shimmy at 65mph, but nothing like it used to! I do yearn for the days of 35" completely smooth ride tires at times, but the trade off is worth it now.

  5. #35
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    Default Toolbox

    I forgot to add that I also managed to get my onboard toolbox organized and figured out a way to keep all the sockets from bouncing around. I bought a regular plastic tool chest from Sears and cut it all up and added a hinged acrylic lid over them! I know, fancy, but it works... Also was able to set the other half of the socket set on top and they all stay pretty much where they should.


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  6. #36
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    Dude that's so sick. Love the big diesel
    Truck: 2005 Chevy Silverado 2500HD 6.6 Duramax 4x4
    http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...49#post2044349
    Trailer: 6x10 cargo conversion
    http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...ld-goods-mover
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    How does the truck with those tires and heavy camper handle on the highway and around town?
    1997 Dodge Ram CTD, 5 Speed manual, BD exhaust brake, 5x12 injectors, 4k Gov. springs, Thuren coils, Fox shocks, Stable loads, 99HD steering, Carli end links, Method Race Wheels, 295/70/18 Cooper STTMaxx tires.

    2011 Northstar Adventurer

  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by uscg2008 View Post
    Dude that's so sick. Love the big diesel
    Thank you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Darwin View Post
    How does the truck with those tires and heavy camper handle on the highway and around town?
    It handles great actually. I was really worried about the higher COG and larger sidewall but it handles very well.

    Tracking - It seems to track very well. It doesn't seem to jump back and forth between the lines in the pavement as much as the stock dually tires.

    Noise - It is louder than the stock, but its a low rumble instead of a high pitch wine.

    Wind - It still handles the wind fairly well. I am a little higher up and the COG is higher, and there's nothing I can do to mitigate that, but perhaps the wider stance in the front helps? This is the biggest thing that I was worried about actually and so far I'm happy with how it's been performing.

    Cornering - At speed, on highway mountain driving with sharper windy turns I do feel I have to slow down more. Again, higher center of gravity. For in town type of turns or coming out of driveways I haven't changed my driving habits at all.

    Ride - It is a much smoother ride under 55 MPH. You don't feel the bumps as much. Right now I am having a balancing issue that I believe is caused by the inner bead lock donuts, as it comes and goes which I think is the donut moving around. I feel after I fix this, or just give up on having an internal bead lock, the ride will improve above 55 MPH compared to the stock tires too.

    MPG - This has suffered, but I'm not sure by how much. I'm guessing 1.5 MPG or so. The odometer is no longer accurate, even though I installed a module to make the speedometer accurate it doesn't seem to fix the odometer. I need to use a GPS to monitor miles exactly and discover by what percentage they are off to calculate what I'm really doing.


    In the end I would still do it, even though I need to fix the balancing issue ASAP as its driving me nuts. I just drove 11 hours to Moab and by the end of each drive the shaking was getting under my skin.

  9. #39
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    Slick build, I love the bed and I would not sweat the $20k bed, that thing will last many trucks. Even if you buy a new chassis cab work truck and throw the $20k bed on it, you are still less than the stock bed King Ranch loaded, and that has $30k of crap that nobody needs.
    My situation is similar to your original story, Ram 2500 that meets my immediate needs, but I need more truck to haul a motorcycle and other toys. Next truck will get a custom bed like yours, I may bug you for details


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    Dude I just had to go back and look, 7 2” receivers! That’s got to be an Expo record


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