plainjaneFJC
Deplorable
Mileage restrictions are too much, and you can't do much to a leased vehicle. I'd rather buy a new one every 3 or 4 years before the 100k warranty is up. Paying cash each time it cost me about 5k a year to own a truck.
2018 F150 with Diesel engine spotted testing
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Mileage restrictions are too much, and you can't do much to a leased vehicle. I'd rather buy a new one every 3 or 4 years before the 100k warranty is up. Paying cash each time it cost me about 5k a year to own a truck.
Clutch
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Ahh...forgot about the mileage restrictions...never leased anything. $5K a year isn't too horrible.
The 3.0L diesel is an option on the Ram 1500, and so is the 5.7L Hemi, so there is valid comparison for those two at least.
The 6.7L Cummins and other HD diesels are really in a class of their own when it comes to towing capabilities. The powerband differences helps explain that:
The Ecodiesel gets it's 420lb-ft at 2000rpm.
The Hemi (5.7L) gets it's 400lb-ft at 4000rpm.
The 6.7L Cummins gets it's 800-900lb-ft (depending on the transmission) at 1700rpm.
Like I said, no one should be surprised that there are minimal differences between the 6.7L's and Hemi's mpg. You're getting quite a bit more towing capability with the Cummins; that coupled with the all-ready discussed emissions, minimizes the mpg difference between the two.
The 3.0L ecodiesel seems like a much more valid comparison in terms of capability; it actually outperforms the V8 Hemi in terms of low-end torque. And yet you still get much better mpg with the 3.0L diesel.
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Clutch
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Too bad the payload and towing is lackluster with the Ecodiesel....why have all that torque, if you can't use it? A Honda Ridgeline has a better payload.
Hopefully Ford does F150 diesel better. If they can get the payload closer to 2000 lbs....with decent fuel consumption. Have one heck of a good platform then.
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Judoka
Learning To Live
Reasoning
It should be remembered that to be able to meet EPA Guidlinesas a MANUFACTURER, you need to have some vehicles which essentially carry the rest of the brand as a whole. For instance, the Prius models and the other Hybrids carry Tundra and Tacoma. Much the same way, Ram 1500 and Dart carry Durango and Grand Cherokee, Cherokee and Patriot carry Wrangler. So when you consider payload of types of Ram 1500 remember that it is carrying some heavy EPA "payload" for the big boys that can tow as much as 31,000 lbs !
Give and take in everything I guess. My Ram 2500 has a lower payload rating than previous years with more HP/Tq because it rides on Coil Springs. The nominal trade off provides the newer trucks better articulation, smoother rides and more efficient delivery of power to the ground. ( The coil springs produce less axle wrap and axle chatter, thereby maintaining greater surface contact with the tires and more efficient use of power.)
It should be remembered that to be able to meet EPA Guidlinesas a MANUFACTURER, you need to have some vehicles which essentially carry the rest of the brand as a whole. For instance, the Prius models and the other Hybrids carry Tundra and Tacoma. Much the same way, Ram 1500 and Dart carry Durango and Grand Cherokee, Cherokee and Patriot carry Wrangler. So when you consider payload of types of Ram 1500 remember that it is carrying some heavy EPA "payload" for the big boys that can tow as much as 31,000 lbs !
Give and take in everything I guess. My Ram 2500 has a lower payload rating than previous years with more HP/Tq because it rides on Coil Springs. The nominal trade off provides the newer trucks better articulation, smoother rides and more efficient delivery of power to the ground. ( The coil springs produce less axle wrap and axle chatter, thereby maintaining greater surface contact with the tires and more efficient use of power.)
Judoka
Learning To Live
Hauling a slide in camper and all of the gear I take for extended travel eliminates the EcoDiesel for me. I loved my Jeep Wrangler Unl Rubicon, but it would not haul all of the comforts I was looking for in extended travel and was a little less convenient.(Strange enough my Ram actually gets about the same mpg as my Jeep did, and is almost as capable....for most driving I do) My Ram 1500 was barely up to the challenge as well and I had to do without a Solid front axle. It was a SHARP truck though! My Ram 2500 gives me the capacity I want and the capability I demand; albeit at a higher fuel cost.
Clutch
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Was hawt for the Ecodiesel....whoo-hooo! 420 lbs of torque! 30 miles to the gallon! Can find the dirt bag model for under $30K!!!! Yeah...baby!!!!.....1300 lbs of payload, not recommended for a slide-in camper...(means no FWC)....yea....errr...ummm...WTH!!?? Geez...that payload is Tacoma territory.
Fuel efficient light weight camper with loads of torque....yeah!!!!....ummm....well crap.
wanderer-rrorc
Explorer
50,000 miles on my ecodiesel 4x4...
Typically I get 9000 miles out of 8 gal of DEF..
Only issue is leak in my egr cooler..
Works almost every day of her life...300lb topper and 400lb toolbox..
It DOES need airbags..and has them..the factory rear coils are designed for comfort..and average use..
14x7 trailer 1800lb empty...have had 6000 lbs of mulch and other loads often..pulls fine..
16ft heavy trailer and bobcat...wasn't a racecar..but towed awsome for 1/2 ton...
21 80lb bags and 400 lb toolbag..only load I ever worried about the tires..
16 sheets 1/2 drywall and 70 studs..6 5gal buckets with busted concrete and the toolbox again...
Typically I get 25-27 loaded with daily gear...trailer takes me 18-21...
Loaded with camp gear and family 28-31...
IF FORD WOULD HAVE QUIT TEASING A 1/2 ton DIESEL the last 25 years...I would still be driving blue oval...
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Typically I get 9000 miles out of 8 gal of DEF..
Only issue is leak in my egr cooler..
Works almost every day of her life...300lb topper and 400lb toolbox..
It DOES need airbags..and has them..the factory rear coils are designed for comfort..and average use..
14x7 trailer 1800lb empty...have had 6000 lbs of mulch and other loads often..pulls fine..
16ft heavy trailer and bobcat...wasn't a racecar..but towed awsome for 1/2 ton...
21 80lb bags and 400 lb toolbag..only load I ever worried about the tires..
16 sheets 1/2 drywall and 70 studs..6 5gal buckets with busted concrete and the toolbox again...
Typically I get 25-27 loaded with daily gear...trailer takes me 18-21...
Loaded with camp gear and family 28-31...
IF FORD WOULD HAVE QUIT TEASING A 1/2 ton DIESEL the last 25 years...I would still be driving blue oval...
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Judoka
Learning To Live
50,000 miles on my ecodiesel 4x4...
Typically I get 9000 miles out of 8 gal of DEF..
Only issue is leak in my egr cooler..
Works almost every day of her life...300lb topper and 400lb toolbox..
It DOES need airbags..and has them..the factory rear coils are designed for comfort..and average use..
14x7 trailer 1800lb empty...have had 6000 lbs of mulch and other loads often..pulls fine..
16ft heavy trailer and bobcat...wasn't a racecar..but towed awsome for 1/2 ton...
21 80lb bags and 400 lb toolbag..only load I ever worried about the tires..
16 sheets 1/2 drywall and 70 studs..6 5gal buckets with busted concrete and the toolbox again...
Typically I get 25-27 loaded with daily gear...trailer takes me 18-21...
Loaded with camp gear and family 28-31...
IF FORD WOULD HAVE QUIT TEASING A 1/2 ton DIESEL the last 25 years...I would still be driving blue oval...
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Would have Gone wit a setup like that...If it had a solid front axle and mechanically actuated T-Case. I tend to take more aggressive lines . But I do love your rig man!
Paddy
Adventurer
I disagree about the market being gone. I think there will always be people willing to spend more for a better fuel economy. I also think people like the feel and sound of a diesel. It's true gas engines do what diesels did better these days, but a mid size truck with a small diesel (in other words, slow and "underpowered") that got 30+ mpg would be very appealing. Just look how many of those dumb vw diesel cars they sold.
The problem is really that new diesels are too complex to actually enjoy owning. They missed the boat on that. They would still sell a bunch but I sure as hell won't buy one at any price because I don't want the headaches. My 6.0 diesel is bad enough and it doesn't even have dpf or blue piss. So it's very strange that they are finally coming out with these diesels now after all these years. I don't get it.
I heard a news report that several large cities around the world will start to ban diesel vehicles completely in coming years. Like, all diesels even delivery trucks. So, the age of the diesel is over, I can agree on that. But it's not because people don't care.
The problem is really that new diesels are too complex to actually enjoy owning. They missed the boat on that. They would still sell a bunch but I sure as hell won't buy one at any price because I don't want the headaches. My 6.0 diesel is bad enough and it doesn't even have dpf or blue piss. So it's very strange that they are finally coming out with these diesels now after all these years. I don't get it.
I heard a news report that several large cities around the world will start to ban diesel vehicles completely in coming years. Like, all diesels even delivery trucks. So, the age of the diesel is over, I can agree on that. But it's not because people don't care.
plainjaneFJC
Deplorable
Read a nice article yesterday on the Nikola class 8 truck. If they can build the infrastructure the future would be promising for those trucks.
Clutch
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....and yawl thought diesel was expensive. Cool technology...think the Honda Clarity is $60K. Can't imagine what a 1 ton truck would cost. Saving the planet taint cheap! The amount of resources I have to consume to work more to pay for one of those...geesh!
Regcabguy
Oil eater.
I get the basically the same mileage and oil analysis results with ULSD with my '07 as with my '98.5 using LSD.
I agree about the ethanol. The decrease in the fuel economy negates the usage of it.
I'm fortunate to have ordered mine 3 weeks before the emissions laden 6.7 came on line.
plainjaneFJC
Deplorable
Your lucky. I owned a 2006 5.9 and a 2007.5 6.7. The 5.9 would pull a lot harder than the 6.7. Both trucks had the g-56. The 6.7 had a few problems, but the 5.9 was always super reliable.