Junkyard Horsepower

coffeegoat

Adventurer
I haven't been on the boards as much recently due to my recently arrived new daughter (born December 1st), however, sitting in a hospital for hours on end with very little sleep usually means I spool my mind up on a generally useless engineering problem which can be investigated via the interwebs on my phone... This time around it was how to add HP/torque to my montero and I think I actually have something and wanted to run it by the group.

The montero engines are underpowered, but most would say overbuilt, which means forced induction is a pretty good plan. Turbo integrations have been done, but on the 3.5 and 3.8 engines the orientation of the intake/exhaust makes it a hassle - which leads me to superchargers. It turns out I'm not the only one to think of this - RPW has a kit but the cheap bastard in me says spending double on a supercharger than I spent on the truck is a terrible idea. Digging deeper into the design, they've built it on the Eaton M62 platform, which is cheap and widely available in junkyards in all manner of vehicles and can be purchased for as little as $100. Certainly you'll need other stuff to make the premise work, but here's my plan so far.

  • Pick up a reasonably new Eaton M62 and rebuild kit, perferably mid-late 2000's - Cost <$250
  • Pick up some mitsu injectors from an evo/3000gt or similar which are matched to 250hp or so - Cost <$100
  • Rework cooling system to use an electric cooling fan - cost ~$250
  • Modify/build an intake manifold to mate up to the supercharger/throttle body - cost $300? (looks like lots of the other mitsu intakes would bolt right on)
  • Other stuff?


I'm reasonable certain that the mechanical aspects of the build won't be too bad, the intake manifold will be tricky to fab, but worst case scenario I may get it 3d printed with Ultem or glass filled nylon like some of the new OEM units. The questionable part is more the fuel management, will the current ECU be able to handle bigger injectors and boost or will I need to pickup/tune a piggyback ECU. Tuning is also questionable as the ECU normally figures stuff out on it's own - will I need to give it a hand to rework it close to ideal or just let it ride.

Anyways, this idea is by no means imminent, I still have to install my bilsteins on the front, pick up/fab skid plates and sliders, add trailer hitch, build roofrack, and all manner of other needs before I start playing with wants, just curious what the group thinks...
 

lordtrunks

camp loser
you may wanna dig into frankr's supercharged 12v gen 1 posts on the 4x4wire i remember him finding the mitsu fuel rail setup tends to lean out on a couple cylinders underboost he also found the factory pump wasn't up to snuff for the added fuel requirements. if your putting it on your 01 i think those are flashable ecu's so you may not need a piggy back.
 

RyanY

Adventurer
That's a monster thread, but well worth reading to get an understanding of the challenges Frank faced in the process of building a supercharged Gen 1. When you realize the amount of time, effort, frustration, and money it took him to accomplish his goal, the idea of buying a complete kit makes a lot more sense. Then again, there would be something seriously satisfying about being able to say that you personally built the supercharger system on your vehicle.
 
megasquirt overcomes the ecu issue bringing with it other complications, but generally a very stable platform under boost.
you did not mention how you will drive the blower, but im guessing that by eliminating the fan you will use that hub as a drive source?
air charge cooling is another issue needs addressed. air ti air? heat exchanger?


this is super do-able, but i hope you are aware of the nature of the beast you are building, and experienced, with the skills needed to pull this off.

its a doozy


if that engine does not have a knock sensor it will need one.
 
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coffeegoat

Adventurer
Holy crap that's a long thread, just finished after reading in all my spare moments for the last 2-3 days...

Frank did an amazing job (pictures start working near the end) substantially more effort than I'd be interested in doing but it shows what can be done and how much improvement you'll see with each step along the way.

Generally speaking I'd drive it as my daily driver with some light offroad use, until I have sliders/armor there will be no Sierra Carnage or similar, I've probably got another $1.5k of required work to do before I can even think about doing this sort of project but it certainly looks doable. I'm finding when I get to do lots of hands on engineering at work I'm not interested in doing it at home, when I'm mostly writing proposals and calling vendors I get itchy for wrenching at home. We'll see what my work life looks like over the next 6-8 months.

I can easily see why the RPW system relies on an added injector in the intake plenum rather than a full upgrade, it substantially simplifies the entire process. As soon as you decide to go MegaSquirt you've got a huge learning curve, a ton of wiring and potentially weeks/months of tuning ahead of you. The mechanics of the thing aren't terrible, Frank ended up using essentially his original Montero cam shaft and just upgraded components to improve the engine more, I think you could probably get away with <7psi of boost without any modifications providing the original engine was in good shape. He machined a beautiful intake manifold but I think you could get away with a welded unit without much difficulty, and using an electric cooling fan would allow you to reroute the fan belt to drive the blower. He did a ton of porting/polishing/matching etc, but again, I think it was a labor of love and probably you could see 80% of the improvement without the extra work.

I think if I was going to go MegaSquirt I'd probably just replace the throttle body and sensor pack with GM stuff at the very beginning and skip all the translation/setup stuff, it wouldn't be stock, but as soon as you bolt on a supercharger you're nowhere near stock anyways. The Gen III does have a knock sensor already (at least mine does) but judging by the fuel issues Frank saw I'd replace essentially the entire fuel system (pump, lines, regulator, manifold) luckily I do lots of high pressure/high temperature hydrogen/oxygen plumbing at work so 100PSI fuel lines don't scare me much. I'd probably skip the air cooler, if you go with the single added injector or a water/methanol system it solves that problem nicely.

So perhaps not junkyard and pocket change to build it up and get it working, but depending on how in depth you decide to go I'd probably easily see 250Hp for <$1k of parts and a couple months of work.
 

Toasty

Looking for that thing i just had in my hand...
It's a lot less work to swap a 1UZ VVTi, and I'm a diehard Mitsu guy, love turbos but time and $$$ per horsepower gained would have me looking at other options to compare.
 
all of what you are saying is accurate in my experience.
the mitsy bottom end should be stout enough for mild boost in a heavy rig.
m squirt has a huge mitsu following in the forums.
there are maps and dedicated forums everywhere. especially for the older stuff.
where will you have room under hood for all of this hardware.

also im very curious to see what only Msquirt can do for power.

just recurving the timing as a piggyback might bring smiles for miles.
 
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RyanY

Adventurer
It's a lot less work to swap a 1UZ VVTi, and I'm a diehard Mitsu guy, love turbos but time and $$$ per horsepower gained would have me looking at other options to compare.

Not to mention the reliability of a Toyota engine vs. a homemade forced induction setup, and the common availability of Lexus V8s in wrecking yards.

Since the 1UZ will bolt to the Mitsu trans using a combination of Toyota/Mitsubishi parts, there's no adapter or custom machining necessary other than engine mounting.
 

coffeegoat

Adventurer
But I just rebuilt this engine. :coffeedrink:

I suppose an added benefit of a Toyota engine is you could actual find aftermarket parts for it.

Yeah, as I'm slowly catching up on sleep the crazy factor associated with building a homegrown supercharger is starting to look less appealing, but it would be pretty cool....
 
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