I don't see much 200 series here, any particular reason?

[4Beast]

This is from wiki, but looks right except for 2000. Some years like '07 have numbers that I'm guessing are a combo from previous model years because I'm not entirely sure there's a 2007 and 2012 that was sold as a model year here in the states.

They didn't make them for the better part of a year following the tsunami in early 2011, so those numbers are probably some finagling of rebadging older ones and ones that would normally be the next model year, I would guess. Like I said, only 9,531 between 2008 through 2011, and those would be the most likely to be modified ones. Really incredibly low numbers when you think about it, say 2,000 units divided by 50 states (I know they aren't evenly distributed) is 40 per state. Realistically, some states probably got only one a month for the whole state!

 

[Mooneywa]

They didn't make them for the better part of a year following the tsunami in early 2011, so those numbers are probably some finagling of rebadging older ones and ones that would normally be the next model year, I would guess. Like I said, only 9,531 between 2008 through 2011, and those would be the most likely to be modified ones. Really incredibly low numbers when you think about it, say 2,000 units divided by 50 states (I know they aren't evenly distributed) is 40 per state. Realistically, some states probably got only one a month for the whole state!

Agreed. There's a ton in Houston. I'm sure NoVa, areas of Cali, Dallas, Atlanta are also the same. But I'd bet there were years where there probably wasn't a single one sold from a dealer in North Dakota... maybe Wyoming too?

 

[ckkone]

I have a 2013 paid $40k for it, same as a new Tacoma or 4runner and I see about a thousand of those on the way to work everyday. I don't think price is really an issue, some people are just afraid to buy used even though the LC200 is a better vehicle in everyway.

 

[4Beast]

I have a 2013 paid $40k for it, same as a new Tacoma or 4runner and I see about a thousand of those on the way to work everyday. I don't think price is really an issue, some people are just afraid to buy used even thought the LC200 is a better vehicle in everyway.

True, but some people really value buying new, so they know the full history of the vehicle. Plus warranty is valuable to some people. And financing used is sometimes more money (somewhat higher APR, or even 48 months rather than 60 etc).

 

[Luke111]

The LX470 and LX570 have played a huge roll in declining LC sales.

100 series Sales Numbers for the USA

These are the numbers of 100 series cruisers sold in the USA.

Year.....LX470.....LC100.....Year Total
1998.....10,978....14,292.....25,270
1999.....15,705....18,569.....34,274
2000.....14,705....15,486.....30,191
2001.....9,304.......7,583.....16,887
2002.....9,226.......6,749.....15,975
2003.....9,187.......6,645.....15,832
2004.....9,831.......6,763.....16,594
2005.....8,555.......4,870.....13,425
2006.....5,595.......3,376.......8,971
2007.....2,468.......3,251.......5,719
------------------------------------------
Total.....95,554....87,584....183,138



Source: Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), USA
Sales data, from manufacturer yearly data.
Generation Model(s) Calendar year U.S. sales
UZJ100
LX 470 2000 14,732[28]
2001 9,320[28]
2002 9,231[29]
2003 9,193[29]
2004 9,846[30]
2005 8,555[30]
2006 5,595[31]
2007 2,468[31]
URJ200 LX 570 2008 7,915[32]
2009 3,616[33]
2010 3,983[34]
2011 3,167[35]
2012 5,005[36]
2013 4,625[37]
2014 4,052[37]
2015 3,884[38]
2016 5,707[39

From 2007-2016 LX Sales Totals 44,442 VS 200 Series 27,589

 

[SmoothLC]

Wonder what worldwide sales figures are for those same years?

 

[Dalko43]

If reliability ONLY was the consumer mentality, Land Rover would be out of business.

So well put. Toyota should include that in some of their marketing campaigns.

It's also one of the few vehicles that besides adding an AT tire really require little or no modification to keep up with it's fully "built" cousins.

Disclaimer: I have a 200, and I'm a 100% biased.

I'd argue that it's the other way around; that the LC's cousins (4runner/prado, Tacoma) need very little modification in order to keep up with a LC 200. And that's not a knock on the LC, because in terms of overall quality it has a definite advantage over the other Toyota 4x4's. But when it comes to trail maneuverability and mechanical traction, the 4runners and Tacoma's (at least those with the rear locker) have a definite advantage when comparing stock-to-stock.

 

[MetalDog]

So well put. Toyota should include that in some of their marketing campaigns.



I'd argue that it's the other way around; that the LC's cousins (4runner/prado, Tacoma) need very little modification in order to keep up with a LC 200. And that's not a knock on the LC, because in terms of overall quality it has a definite advantage over the other Toyota 4x4's. But when it comes to trail maneuverability and mechanical traction, the 4runners and Tacoma's (at least those with the rear locker) have a definite advantage when comparing stock-to-stock.

Disagree somewhat with your assessment. Agree that the 200 is not much of a trail rig (in that it is pretty wide). Though I have snaked mine through some fairly hairy trails in the PNW. A good pair of tires and a simple $1,500 lift from ARB and you are in business. Now for Overlanding, it's not even close. Driver fatigue for long hauls is a dream in the 200, as are comfort, amenities, reliability, etc. I've never ever met someone who went from a 200 down to a 4 Runner, but plenty in the opposite direction.

 

[Dalko43]

Disagree somewhat with your assessment. Agree that the 200 is not much of a trail rig (in that it is pretty wide). Though I have snaked mine through some fairly hairy trails in the PNW. A good pair of tires and a simple $1,500 lift from ARB and you are in business. Now for Overlanding, it's not even close. Driver fatigue for long hauls is a dream in the 200, as are comfort, amenities, reliability, etc.

As I stated, the LC has a definite advantage when it comes to overall build quality. So for certain aspects of overlanding, like driver comfort/fatigue, while they are subjective, I can concede the LC has its advantages. That said, for other aspects of overlanding, like trail maneuverability, fuel economy, mechanical traction (no e-locker for LC 200 in stock form), and reliability, I'd say the 4runner either matches the LC 200 or surpasses it. So in some regards, they are somewhat close.

I've never ever met someone who went from a 200 down to a 4 Runner, but plenty in the opposite direction.

The LC 200 is a low-production vehicle (barely several thousand sales per year vs. the 4runner's ~100k), more luxurious and ultimately a more coveted vehicle (if for no other reason than it bares the LC name and pedigree). You're just stating the obvious. That doesn't necessarily mean the LC is better than the 4runner or Tacoma at everything overland related.

 

[LJFTW]

As I stated, the LC has a definite advantage when it comes to overall build quality. So for certain aspects of overlanding, like driver comfort/fatigue, while they are subjective, I can concede the LC has its advantages. That said, for other aspects of overlanding, like trail maneuverability, fuel economy, mechanical traction (no e-locker for LC 200 in stock form), and reliability, I'd say the 4runner either matches the LC 200 or surpasses it. So in some regards, they are somewhat close.



The LC 200 is a low-production vehicle (barely several thousand sales per year vs. the 4runner's ~100k), more luxurious and ultimately a more coveted vehicle (if for no other reason than it bares the LC name and pedigree). You're just stating the obvious. That doesn't necessarily mean the LC is better than the 4runner or Tacoma at everything overland related.

We own a '16 Tacoma and owned a '16 4Runner TEP. We love the Tacoma and loved the 4Runner, but the 200 we traded it in on is better.

It's only 2" wider than the 4Runner so that point is moot.

A stock URJ200 can go anywhere a stock 4Runner Trail can go.

The Land Crusier is a niche product in the US by Toyota's choice. If they sold the full range here they'd sell a ton. The 200 and 120 platform in the form of the LC, LX, and GX sell more than a few thousand every year, though. However, it's a totally different story outside the US. The 4Runner isn't sold many places outside the US and where it is sold as the Fortuner or Hilux Surf it is a niche product.

Believe me, I *loved* my 4Runner. I have nothing bad to say about it. Thinking it's better than a Land Cruiser is something only a 4Runner owner would believe, though.

 

[MTSN]

Believe me, I *loved* my 4Runner. I have nothing bad to say about it. Thinking it's better than a Land Cruiser is something only a 4Runner owner would believe, though.

I totally agree. It's just like the guys who own a JKU Sport and say it's just as good as a Rubicon until they pony up for a Rubicon and then talk about how superior the Rubicon is. I've owned 41 different cars and motorcycles and I have nothing bad to say about any Toyota 4x4 I've owned or driven, but there are clearly some superior versions and the 200 is at the top of the pile. Anyone who disagrees hasn't spent enough seat time in one.

 

[Ryanmb21]

Believe me, I *loved* my 4Runner. I have nothing bad to say about it. Thinking it's better than a Land Cruiser is something only a 4Runner owner would believe, though.

At a significant cost (probably to tune of +~40% cost of the 4Runner) post up you true cost to that thread; still waiting for a 200 series owner to get real on that thread.



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[JLee]

At a significant cost (probably to tune of +~40% cost of the 4Runner) post up you true cost to that thread; still waiting for a 200 series owner to get real on that thread.



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If you're bringing up the matter of cost, the guy with the $600 Cherokee wins.

"But it's cheaper" is not an argument for "it's superior."

 

[Ryanmb21]

If you're bringing up the matter of cost, the guy with the $600 Cherokee wins.

"But it's cheaper" is not an argument for "it's superior."

No. The $600 Cherokee does not pass the minimum bar of safety, longevity, nvh, capacity, cargo, roadworthiness, etc. whereas the 4Runner does.

It's not cheap vs expensive. It's value.

I want to want a 200 series. But what does it give me over a 4Runner? Slightly better safety (weight), +luxury, +3k towing, +5-10% cargo room; what else?


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[Chris Boyd]

I think this is a case where the Luxury Lexus brand has fractured the market and tarnished the model. People just don't gravitate to the Lexus, especially for a rig as big as this with the MPGs. Doesn't help the 570 front end is seriously uggo...

I see a ton of 200s where I live north of Boston, but it's more to do with a affluence and not need. Though a few I do know are dual duty mall cruiser and horse trailer puller. (Like one of my 100s!)