2 years in: Care and feeding of turbos? (2018 F-150 CCSB tow pig)

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
Just last month I passed the milestone of 2 years with the new-to-me 2018 F-150 I brought home in August of 2019. Purchased with 18,000 miles on the clock, it has a little over 45,000 now, so I'm averaging 13,500 miles/year. Actually quite a lot of miles considering that I've been working from home since March of 2020 so most of those miles have been road trips and on quite a few of them I was pulling a trailer (R-Pod 179, ~3500lb or so fully loaded.)

So far the truck has gone on 25 camping trips: 3 in 2019, 9 in 2020 and 13 so far in 2021 with two more to go before the end of our "camping season. Longest trip, both distance and time-wise was an 11 day trip to Arizona (Willow Beach) and Nevada (Pahrump) in October of 2020. 2000 miles round trip NOT including all the driving around we did.

Living in Colorado it's normal for us to go over a 10,000' plus pass almost every time we go out. Highest pass we crossed pulling the trailer was Cottonwood, officially the highest paved pass in North America at 12,125' (it used to be Independence Pass at 12,095' but then in 2019 they paved Cottonwood.)

Overall I'm very pleased with the way the truck drives and pulls our camper. It does bog down a little bit when climbing the high passes with the trailer behind it, but not nearly as bad as the '04 Suburban with its tired 5.3 and old-tech 4 speed 4L60 auto.

I've kept up on maintenance, but as my truck gets older I'm wondering if there's anything special I need to do to keep the turbos running well? I always use 87 or higher octane, as per the manual. I've changed the air cleaner twice now but it hasn't needed any other maintenance beyond oil changes (although at the last oil change they told me my rear brakes were getting close to needing to be serviced - this is what I've come to expect pulling a trailer, the rear brakes always go first,)

I looked in the manual and didn't see any turbo-specific maintenance items. I assume the turbochargers themselves are well lubricated - does the oil in the turbocharger ever need to be changed or do they use engine oil somehow?

Also talking to a stranger at a gas pump he mentioned "watching my EGR temps." The only temperature I monitor closely is the transmission, should I be watching EGR temps?

And finally, is there a device I can put on the OBD port to monitor things like boost levels (preferably through my phone?) Sometimes I'm just curious about that. Particularly when climbing a steep hill - I had thought that the 3.5 EB produced the most torque at low RPMs but for whatever reason, my engine seems to want to stay above 4500 RPM when climbing a high pass with the trailer in tow.

All in all, I'm just wondering what preventive stuff I can/should be doing now to ensure that I don't have trouble down the road as I plan on keeping this truck for at least another 3 - 5 years, or possibly longer.
 

Todd780

OverCamper
(although at the last oil change they told me my rear brakes were getting close to needing to be serviced - this is what I've come to expect pulling a trailer, the rear brakes always go first,)


And finally, is there a device I can put on the OBD port to monitor things like boost levels (preferably through my phone?) Sometimes I'm just curious about that. Particularly when climbing a steep hill - I had thought that the 3.5 EB produced the most torque at low RPMs but for whatever reason, my engine seems to want to stay above 4500 RPM when climbing a high pass with the trailer in tow.
Huh. Interesting. I still had to do my front brakes 1st even though I tow a 5,000 lb holiday trailer?


Kind of surprised you are revving to 4,500 rpm on passes.

I was under the same impression about torque at low rpm. That is a big factor in me possibly switching from 5.0L to a EcoBoost.
 

NatersXJ6

Explorer
Turbos do relatively little at low RPM. They need to spin to build boost to build power. Keep the oil clean and do long drives to get them warm and running steady and there will be little issue. I don’t know about the Ecoboost turbos specifically, but 10-12x engine RPM is relatively common for turbo speeds, thus lubrication is important. They use the engine oil, nothing special to worry about.

On my power stroke, it was common to have to separate and mechanically clean the inside of the turbo every few years. I’m going to assume that was fixed over the years and is no longer needed.

My 2018 Expedition has a boost gauge on the digital dash. Look through the menu options, you might too.

As far as exhaust temps, yes, watching is good, but I doubt you can get to a danger zone without significant mods from factory. I don’t worry much about mine, and I guarantee the only gauge my wife watches over a mountain is a speedometer (maybe).
 

Todd780

OverCamper
Of greater concern to you should be the TSB for cam phasers. It is a pricey one if they don’t get it under warranty, and you are close to done. Any short grinding/rattling at startup needs to go to dealer immediately.
Oh. Crap. I didn't know that was still an issue. I thought Ford would have solved that after they had issues with the 5.4L.

I see now it can affect 5.0L V8's and 3.5 EcoBoosts. Not sure about the 2.7's...
 

NatersXJ6

Explorer
Mine was a 3.5 and it was a very tight set of build dates, maybe 6-8 months. Of course, they probably made a million in that time period.
 
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Deleted member 9101

Guest
Just change the oil regularly and run full synthetic. Don't go 10k I between changes.

As for it bogging...a "tow tune" or running premium fuel will fix that.

Change the plugs (use OEM) and change the boots too. RockAuto sells them cheap. They don't last 100k like Ford claims. Guarantee that you'd notice a difference if you changed them.

Also, clean your MAP sensors every oil change.

* After you tow, let the truck idle for a min or two to help cool the turbos. After normal driving it's unnecessary due to the circulation of coolant after you shut it down.
 
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Deleted member 9101

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Oh. Crap. I didn't know that was still an issue. I thought Ford would have solved that after they had issues with the 5.4L.

I see now it can affect 5.0L V8's and 3.5 EcoBoosts. Not sure about the 2.7's...


Yeah...some 3.5s have an issue. The 5.0 has its own problems (oil consumption). The 2.7 seems to have avoided that drama.
 
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deserteagle56

Adventurer
Been driving turbocharged engines for 20+ years now (all turbodiesels until I got my F150). Still have a Dodge/Cummins with a turbo, and a big Kubota tractor in addition to the F150. No special maintenance was ever needed on the turbos - and NONE of them ever gave me a problem.

As stated above, the turbo is lubed/cooled by your engine oil so keep clean oil in it. As far as towing with your F150 - your owner's manual will tell you that premium fuel - highest octane you can put in it - will make a difference with weight hooked behind the truck. Makes a difference even at your higher altitudes.
 

Dougnuts

Well-known member
I also only run premium, it makes a noticeable difference when you don’t.

In addition to the cam phasers, if you have the orange coolant, go get some of the green/yellow from Ford and do a drain and fill once or twice. The orange can apparently create precipitates that clog the bottom of the radiator and the heater core. This has caused temperature control issues when towing, for some people.
 
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ITTOG

Well-known member
Of greater concern to you should be the TSB for cam phasers. It is a pricey one if they don’t get it under warranty, and you are close to done. Any short grinding/rattling at startup needs to go to dealer immediately.
Yeah I have that issue and the TSB hasn't done anything yet. My rattle is just as bad after the so called "fix". They did say it may take up to 2,000 miles of driving though. I am no where near that yet. Hopefully it works because it sounds like the truck is going to fall apart for a few seconds every time it starts. Cold starts are even worse.
 

NatersXJ6

Explorer
Yeah I have that issue and the TSB hasn't done anything yet. My rattle is just as bad after the so called "fix". They did say it may take up to 2,000 miles of driving though. I am no where near that yet. Hopefully it works because it sounds like the truck is going to fall apart for a few seconds every time it starts. Cold starts are even worse.

It sounds to me like you need a new dealership. The TSB includes replacing a huge number of parts. How could those parts just start working after 2000 miles? I was surprised and impressed by the local dealer. I told my wife to mention the noise at an oil change, she had all the research, the printed TSB, and was ready to argue, but as soon as she said startup noise they said “no problem, that is a known issue and we are ordering the parts, we will call to schedule once they arrive”. A week later and it went in for 3 days of work.
 

ITTOG

Well-known member
It sounds to me like you need a new dealership. The TSB includes replacing a huge number of parts. How could those parts just start working after 2000 miles? I was surprised and impressed by the local dealer. I told my wife to mention the noise at an oil change, she had all the research, the printed TSB, and was ready to argue, but as soon as she said startup noise they said “no problem, that is a known issue and we are ordering the parts, we will call to schedule once they arrive”. A week later and it went in for 3 days of work.
That is interesting. Mine did not do any parts replacement. I also talked to another dealer, one of the top volume dealers in the US, and they said everything that was completed sounds correct. I clearly need to do some more investigating.
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
Is the cam phaser rattling pretty noticeable? I haven't noticed anything on cold starts on the truck at all.
 

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