55 Willys Wagon Expo build

SavageSunJeep

Adventurer
Santa brought a 55 WW to me on 26 Dec. Solid rig, near rust free, all original except a Chevy V8.

Background(?):
As best I can ascertain and piece together this was a fellows hunting rig on his ranch in Utah at day one ('09/'55). He died, and family shuffled it off at some juncture to a wrecking yard a few years ago. Somebody rescued it and dropped in a V8 and 2 Jeep TJ seats. Project died for whatever and then was bought by a guy here in AZ 8 mo ago. Then Christmas rolled around and money was needed and I bought it.

It was stripped of its interior WAY back, most likely the original owner. Heater, seats, headliner and everything else that was there. He added interior white paint, mosquito netting and curtains for light control. Based upon holes drilled in the floor he mounted much other stuff. My guess is support gear for hunting. He was a AVID hunter appearing to spend weeks at a time living in it on his ranch in Utah.

Body is clean and straight, orginial wood in floor is in excellent condition. It had a false plywood floor in when I got it, painted white for better light reflection.

Why:
I had a '03 TJ Rubicon I was using for rock crawling and after a few years I drifted back to my camping, exploring and off road adventures of the 40 plus years I have been Jeeping. The short TJ frame was just not enough to work with my larger frame and I did not like tent sleeping. This led to buying a '06 LJ Rubicon, the long wheelbase version...104" Vs 93" of the TJ.

Now I had 2 Jeeps. The goal was to migrate and integrate parts into the LJ. In short and after much thought I slowly came to realize that in the end I still had a '06 Jeep with all the city, county, state and federal oversight that brings. And the past year has convinced me that I was the government OUT of my life as much as possible and get off the grid and below the radar. Any post '76 year rig is a link to ever increasing government control...Thus I decided to step back in time and do it my way.

The build:
'We've only just begun'. But here is the outlook: I now have 3 Jeeps including 2 Rubicons for donors.

Pull WW body off the frame, sell the rolling chassis to include the driveline and V8, everything is in great shape, runs great.

Attempt to slide TJ or LJ Rubicon 104" frame under the WW that has a 104" wheelbase under the WW body.

This brings with it:
Jeep coil suspension
F/R Dyantrac ProRock high pinion D60's w/ARB and 4.88 gears
NV3550 5 sp 4.1 low grear
OR 241 4.0 low transfer case
Jeep late model AC/heat, PW/PB/PS etc
Chevy Crate Motor, 350 cu in, 350 HP, 400 lbs Torque w/OEM fuel injection (this engine was developed by GM for pre-1976 model cars). This engine has not been purchased yet, but its the leading candidate at this time, but open to suggestions...

Results:
Rock solid drive line for hiway, off road etc etc travel from Alaska to S America...before I die I hope AND no interference by silly lights on dash that say 'check engine', 'failed' emissions tests or an annual crush to get your emissions certification before some gov't declared date, NO computers...and it ain't gonna get better. I am off the grid and below the radar.

Any suggestions, advice, help or whatever is welcome and appreciated...:coffeedrink:
 

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StumpXJ

SE Expedition Society
So basically you are building a fully capable, modern drivetrain, wicked rig, that has tons of oldschool character. I dig that!

That shell is in awesome shape for its age... this will be cool.

~ James
 

mtnbike28

Expedition Leader
Could be problems?

I thought the vehicle was determined by the VIN of the frame... so you would have a 03 LJ WW?

I doubt you would have issues in the US, but if you are thinking about travel to S.A., it could create a problem....

I don't know that, just what I understood as I prepare to put a new (different) frame under my FJ40

thoughts?
 

SavageSunJeep

Adventurer
I thought the vehicle was determined by the VIN of the frame... so you would have a 03 LJ WW?

I doubt you would have issues in the US, but if you are thinking about travel to S.A., it could create a problem....

I don't know that, just what I understood as I prepare to put a new (different) frame under my FJ40

thoughts?
I have clean and clear AZ title so no issues. In the case of many older cars and this is one, the frame has a VIN but the VINs are numbered sequentially by year. This would mean the same VINs across '46 - '65 or so I am told. The result is I have a state of Utah assigned VIN which is on the body (the DOOR of all places). So I can slide any frame I want under the body. NOTE this Utah VIN is the same as on my AZ title...thus I foresee no issues anywhere.

So I am under the radar in the US as its classified as an antique veh if I chose to pay the extra dollars and I might do it, it really gives you a free pass on inspections, emissions etc and that is where I want to be, just get a license and drive...:victory:
 

86cj

Explorer
Sounds like you should be using a Q-Jet and HEI or even a dual point ignition to keep the proper theme going.....Electromagnetic Gov't bombs and all..

I would not destroy a rare LJ Rubicon, I would not be suprised to see the LJ's resale for more than JK's very soon, low mile examples are very pricey. Cut up the TJ and add some length and beef to it's frame, the Brute kit proved it's easy enough.
 

SavageSunJeep

Adventurer
Sounds like you should be using a Q-Jet and HEI or even a dual point ignition to keep the proper theme going.....Electromagnetic Gov't bombs and all..

I would not destroy a rare LJ Rubicon, I would not be suprised to see the LJ's resale for more than JK's very soon, low mile examples are very pricey. Cut up the TJ and add some length and beef to it's frame, the Brute kit proved it's easy enough.
Without going into a lengthy discussion the effect of Electro-mag on autos, suffice to say its negligible unless you are near ground zero with the engine running.

GM builds a crate motor that is based upon the pre-65 FI unit that was common on Corvettes from '57 - '65. Its been reworked and somewhat modernized and uses a small on board the engine management system. Very efficient and quite simple, no CATs etc.

No intentions of chopping up my Rubicon LJ, but I do have some parts I added that I will remove. I will sell the LJ later this year.

The prime donor is my TJ Rubicon and if I cannot find a LJ frame in a wrecking yard I will just do an extension out to the 104"...

I think some later model FSJ Wagoneer frames/axles are a good match for the WW

Yes I have read that along with Chevy S-10 and Blazers. I am going to stick with the TJ/LJ fame as all the prime components Dynatrack axle, trans and transfer case are all sitting under my TJ now plus steering etc.

Grafting a frame, any frame under and unlike body is no simple task. That said why make the job even FAR more complicated by having to fab up all the mounts for the other components also...see where I am coming from on this? After I mate the frame/body the job is all but over as its all bolt in from that point on.
 

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SavageSunJeep

Adventurer
Wouldn't it be easier to just use the existing frame, you can do a custom suspension.

I have given this much thought...matter of trade-offs. I am doing a complete drive line install: Rubicon trans/transfer case, Dynatrac D60 f/r axles and a Chevy V8. So it really becomes a matter of mating the frame to the body.

The WW I have uses a 'C' channel frame. Fine if you are using a 60 hp engine and small tires of the day. I will be running 35" tires on Walker Evans beadlocks...a LOT of spinning weight on a C channel frame and the intended engine is a Ramjet FI 350/350 Hp and 400 lbs of torque. That said I could box the frame for strength, but then its a matter of mating the drive line up to the old frame.

Then its Coil Vs leaf springs.

I have a donor sitting in the yard (my '03 TJ Rubicon) so that is the route I am going...
 

Root Moose

Expedition Leader
Today I began by hitting every nut/bolt/screw I could find with WD-40 to loosen them up.

Get some proper penetrating oil (Release-All, PB Blaster, Würths, whatever) and reshoot the fasteners.

WD40 is not a release agent. It's just a mild lube and water displacement fluid.

p.s. not sure why everyone is so concerned about cutting up a TJ for this project. Go for it - there's lots of them out there - they aren't a rare vehicle and the combination of parts and equipment for the price can't be beat.

$0.02
 

SavageSunJeep

Adventurer
Get some proper penetrating oil (Release-All, PB Blaster, Würths, whatever) and reshoot the fasteners.

WD40 is not a release agent. It's just a mild lube and water displacement fluid.

p.s. not sure why everyone is so concerned about cutting up a TJ for this project. Go for it - there's lots of them out there - they aren't a rare vehicle and the combination of parts and equipment for the price can't be beat.

$0.02
Root, I can assure I have know that for many many years...that said, I could not find my can of PB Blaster so I just grabbed my WD and went at it....When I started looking I came to the conclusion that PB was a waste of money. More than likely I will either turn them on the first go or just cut them off.

Few will be saved anyhow. I will replace most with grade 8. YES I know its way overkill but hopefully it will help the WW last another nearly 60 years which will be LONG LONG after I am dead and gone.

You are right about TJs, don't know how many Rubicons there are but I have 2 setting in my yard so might as well use one for a donor. Selling my rock crawler and its Dyantrac ProRock 60's f/r will only garner a few extra dollars in my pocket...So why not just use them and save $$.

[I will be putting my '06 LJ (Unlimited) Rubicon up for sale as I progress. 24k miles, 6 speed all stock except the front fenders which are tubes. If interested and don't need to have it today, shoot me a PM.]

As for WW, total production is mostly unknown, but safe to say there were about 300k made between '46 - '65*. Willy's allowed dealers to resell a last years model as the current year. Few changes were made and the VIN number is on a piece of stamped metal affixed to the body with 4 SCREWS. Did not sell is in '54, then just have Willy's send you a '55 VIN tag. Hence the reason why total is not accurate.

* None were made in '65 but the '64's were sold as '65 models.
 

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