Air Comp. Question?

Fireman78

Expedition Leader
Hey guys..I just finished buying this online.... http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=479 and not two hors later I realized why I started to look at OBA systems in the first place. (I forget for a second and got this one) It would be nice to have a tank setup to power higher pressure devises, such as impact tools, ect. I like the portability and durability of the Extremeaire, but is their a way to have the best of both worlds? Can i set up a tank permanent like and power it with this one?
 

TeriAnn

Explorer
Fireman78 said:
Hey guys..I just finished buying this online.... http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=479 and not two hors later I realized why I started to look at OBA systems in the first place. (I forget for a second and got this one) It would be nice to have a tank setup to power higher pressure devises, such as impact tools, ect. I like the portability and durability of the Extremeaire, but is their a way to have the best of both worlds? Can i set up a tank permanent like and power it with this one?

Most air tools require high pressure and high volume. Piece of cake with a 15 AMP 120V compressor, but the 12V pumps just can't pump the volume most air tools need. Fill the tanks of most home compressors to 100 lbs, turn off the compressor and run your favorite air tool just off the tank alone to see how long you can run it. By the time you fill up a 20 gallon air tank from a 12V compressor you have time to do the project with manual tools, clean up and brew a nice cuppa tea.

A York belt driven compressor has enough volume to run some or all air tools. Most commercially available on board air tanks are 2.5 gallons and a big air tank is just that ... big. Air tools are generally in addition to the hand tools. More space and weight.

If you really want to run air tools one suggestion is a belt driven compressor and converting bumpers and sliders into a distributed air tank.

I've found my 12V compressor to be useful for airing up, blowing dust out of things, running the air locker and if I had any inflatable stuff it could inflate it. My 2.5 gallon air tank can run the ARB about a jillion times and it saves a couple minutes off airing up all four tyres.

I think its worth its weight just for the ability to adjust tyre pressure for different trail conditions.

Go ahead and connect your 12V compressor to your air tool and see what happens. If it works fine go for it. If not, you fill the tank, use the tool long enough for the pressure to drop, brew a cuppa tea while the tank is refilling, use the tool until the tank pressure goes to low, set up camp while the tank is refilling ...
 

Robert Bills

Explorer
The product description for the compressor you purchased doesn't list the cfm rating or duty cycle. However, based upon the physical size and characteristics of the unit, I would seriously doubt that it could power air tools even with a tank.

I have a 1/3 hp, 100% duty cycle, 1.45 cfm @ 40psi (1.85cfm @ 15 psi), 12v Thomas compressor (model TA4101-DC) hard wired into my jeep with a 2.5 gal. tank. That is a greater cfm rating than the biggest Viair with a similar 100% duty cycle (model 450, 1.3cfm @ 40psi) and similar portable 12v compressors by other manufacturers. (Note: most portable and small hard mount 12v compressors only have a 33% duty cycle, and will overheat if you try to run air tools or fill large tires one after the other without a break.) Even the Thomas compressor won't power air tools more than a few seconds with a 2.5 gal tank, barely enough time to break loose stubborn or highly torqued bolts/nuts. The recovery time makes it hardly worth the effort.

In my experience, the only systems adequate for running air tools use engine driven compressors. (There is one system that uses a modified starter motor to spin a York A/C compressor, but it is pricey and there are better alternatives.) The best use a York air conditioning compressor in place of or in tandem with the stock A/C. (Using custom fabricated brackets as the only company I know of that marketed tandem brackets closed almost 10 years ago.) You can also use a Sanden A/C compressor, but these don't have the same cfm rating and have oiling issues that Yorks don't have.

Go to www.onboardair.com. Brad Kilby, the owner, knows more about onboard air systems than anyone else in the business, and he has put together a website that goes into great detail about how to design and wire a system and the pros and cons of each type of compressor.

For more information regarding the installation of a Thomas compressor, see this site: http://george4wd.taskled.com/compressor.html
 
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Robert Bills

Explorer
Oh yeah, one of your original questions:

Sure, you can mount a tank and fill it with your portable compressor or gas station air. Keep it filled and you will have enough air on hand to adust your tires a few psi without breaking out the compressor on the trail.
 

Fireman78

Expedition Leader
Thanks guys. This was from an email from the manufacturer..
"10 amp motor
- .9 CFM free flow
- 220 psi max pressure
- Continuous Duty "

Is this OK for a small portable setup?? The main reason I'm getting this is for the tires, but I am always trying to "double duty" stuff. You know how it is.
 
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Robert Bills

Explorer
Fireman78 said:
Thanks guys. This was from an email from the manufacturer..
"10 amp motor
- .9 CFM free flow
- 220 psi max pressure
- Continuous Duty "

Is this OK for a small portable setup?? The main reason I'm getting this is for the tires, but I am always trying to "double duty" stuff. You know how it is.

The continuous duty cycle will allow the compressor to run a long time, but the low cfm rating means that it will take a very long time to air up your tires, especially large ones. (That's 0.9 cfm at free flow, you will have less air flow at pressure.) However, I think the unit is fine for filling "normal size" tires on an occasional basis and will do until you get frustated that everyone else is aired up and ready to hit the highway long before you are. However, if you can cancel the purchase without paying a penalty, there are better portable units out there.

Check www.Viair.com.
There are others.
 

FlyingWen

Explorer
If you check out Extreme Outback and speak to George. He is the one who actually builds the ExpeditionAire.

It is a quality product as are all their products and he'd be happy to answer any questions that you may have.
 

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