are lockers necessary?

dwvninety

Observer
I look at it as, I don't put wheels in the air, its more of needed traction on trails, that's why I am looking hard at true tracs. I feel I don't need any more tire or lift after driving my rig, my suspension is dialed really good now. I think the true tracs will be a great addition, and while doing that I can add diff covers/armor. Other than that I should be good. I have yet to rip anything off my rig.

True Tracs are great but not always the best option. I used to run them, an example of when you don't want True Tracs to kick in is going up a steep muddy mountain road. True Tracs will lock when they sense wheel slippage and you press on the brakes and if your Jeep has brake lock differential it will apple the brakes to keep both wheels spinning at the same speed. True Tracs will engaged by sensing wheel slippage and brake pressure. A locked rear with True Tracs going up a muddy steep mountain road will cause your Jeep to fish tail. Running True Tracs on the front will also cause this plus will limit your turning as your lockers in the front are engaged.

I will still take True Tracs over open diff's anytime. My choice is on demand lockers whether its cable, electronic or air.
 

geckoTy

Adventurer
Well, me neither. :) Still, I'd give girlfriend the Sport and keep the Rubicon for myself. Either way, OP, you're quite the generous fellow.
She will be my wife one day, so as you know, a happy wife is a happy life. Haha... Now she can't complain when I buy jeep parts ;)
 

Lucky j

Explorer
In deed, I also think it is a mather of preference and what you do with it.

I'm still driving the same YJ wrangler I bought new in 1994. (it's a 95) with manual. It as seen many upgrade over the years. Started it's life with the D35 rear with Tracklock and open diff in the front.

Fisrt real upgrade was the 2 1/2" lift and 31 mud and then 32". Then the winch. With that set-up, ad tons of fun, and broke front axle only when I was really crazy with it. Then, true track up front. That was the fist amazing add on. But still needed the winch even when all 4 Wheel were spining. So full lock would not have made a real difference. I was on the sandy beach of assetaguae Ilsand with my up grader 22 000$ 1995 wanlger and a friend was in is 35 000$ 2003 rubicon TJ and we were side by side all the time.

Now, Rear high pignon ford 9" and detroit soft locker, front D44 ARB and 35" boggers, still need the winch. Diff gears and now 4.56 and adventure tire are 33" mud (5000 miles a year average road/ travel/ off road /adventure). TC is original 2.72 with HD chain and manual trany.

So were I'm going with this. All this was always cheaper for me that going with a Rubicon. The 4.1 tc for me is to low for the type of wheeling I'm doing. Ruby crawler would be great, but without an auto, it can not be done. Klune would end up to long for my short wheel base, and no way I going with auto trany. Can be good in some situation, but not enough compression for really long hill descent even with the 4.1 t.c. I know, I have seen it in my rear view Mirror. And yes, good on rocks but only adequate in sand and mud.

So for my needs, a rubicon is not a good all around machine. Mantaning value, it all depends if you like to change your truck often or if you are a keeper. I'm a kepper. Rubicon also have weakness. If you want to really build it, the 44 are to weak and the 4-1 only goog in some situation. For deep snow driving, a regular t-c is better.

Lockers on a jeep are really nice if you want to go forward when you reach a large or technical obstacle on your Overland travel. But you will still need a winch if you really want to keep going. Like someone mention earlier, It is often cheaper to buy a non rubicon .......... cause they don't sale and then built it. In your case, you already own it, even cheaper.

I like my wrangler with it upgrade as it is. But It would be better if it was the lenght of a TJ unlimited.

I do not have the answer to what you need, I have the answer to what I need.

I hope it help on your relfection.
 

Septu

Explorer
I've gone a few places where lockers might not be needed (I've done parts in the past without them), but are a great safety net - especially when out exploring alone. I've also gotten into situations where I'm not sure I would have gotten out without my lockers (couldn't be pulled back, off the trail on a steep slope, no winch).

I bought my JKUR new. Took 20,000 km (12,000 miles) before I upgraded the tires. Took another year before I lifted it. I knew that it was going to take some time to build it up (I had a plan and only wanted to do things once). I wanted the Rubi so that I could enjoy the out of the box abilities as I saved up to build it up how I wanted.
 

Sal-XK

Observer
I have a lot of experience with Brake torque traction control. On dry rocky anything it works like a charm. Once the rocks get slick or you're in the snow or just anything that requires a good amount of wheel spin to keep moving is when it falls real short. Then you have to turn it off and you're back to just open diffs. For me the overland vehicle needs the lockers and winch because you never know where you will end up at some point. The off road park is full of people that will give you a pull (sometimes a little to eager). I know proper lines can make a world a difference for having open diffs. But at some point the terrain will flex you out than either flip the switch and keep going or start pulling line.
 

kojackJKU

Autism Family Travellers!
Why would I swap over to a rubi, I own my jeep outright...I have no payment, and the only difference is the lockers. NO THANKS. I have not really needed lockers yet. So, its not a big issue for me.
 

dwvninety

Observer
Why would I swap over to a rubi, I own my jeep outright...I have no payment, and the only difference is the lockers. NO THANKS. I have not really needed lockers yet. So, its not a big issue for me.

You can always get a winch if you don't already have one. A winch can get you out of a sticky situation even if you have lockers or no lockers. But if you already own your Jeep (no payments) I would just look for a Rubicon transfer case then lockers when you decide you need one.
 

kojackJKU

Autism Family Travellers!
I would put in lockers before the rubi transfer case. I am on the fence about the lockers but I think im going with the E lockers now for winter driving control. Makes more sense to me.
 

Septu

Explorer
I would put in lockers before the rubi transfer case. I am on the fence about the lockers but I think im going with the E lockers now for winter driving control. Makes more sense to me.

I'm not sure a true locker vs a limited slip makes the most sense for "winter driving control". Even if you can engage it whenever (aka not stock rubi setup), the fact that you'd constantly have to do so would be a PITA. I guess you could just leave it on most of the time... but I still don't think that a locker is the best tool for winter driving.

If I had another SUV for DD use (and was going to put some coin into it), I'd have limited slips F/R.
 

JIMBO

Expedition Leader
:sombrero: That's what's cool about the Rubi--

Super low xfer case and open diffs, till you lockem--at will-

They can be modified for locker use in any gear 2wd/4wd--kinda neat !

:costumed-smiley-007:wings: JIMBO
 

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