ARRGGGHHH!!! Decisions about the JK or FJ.

Life_in_4Lo

Explorer
keeping the XJ sounds like a sensible and inexpensive route. I don't know anything about it except my friend used to have one and liked it a lot (he coincidentally now has a KJ Rubicon Unlimited).

I really like the 4 dr KJ. My second choice is the older Unlimited 2 dr just w/ a longer wheelbase (TJ?). Someone here just bought one and it looks really sharp. Both look awesome when built up. The longer wheelbase adds the climbing stability of a wagon but still a tight pkg.

What is it with the Jeep crowd? I get a bad taste nearly every time we come across them... admit that this alone is a pretty big deterrent to purchase but if I were buying new, the KJ Unlimited would be really tempting.
SFA, super flexible body (open air, hard top, build a cage, etc) and unlimited aftermarket.

TJ unlimited would maybe be #1 as the lower price (used) would allow more money for mods.

FJC is great, I have to take issue and say the frame is stout and haven't heard of problems here.

The body mount/tire clearance is a simple welding modification that allows larger tires to clear- and not really an issue unless you are going really big.

the body tears seem to have been limited to certain year but inconclusive and from all I've read, Toyota is taking care of afflicted owners.

Drivetrain/suspension is a wash to me as I've heard just as many things break, if not more, on Jeeps.
 

Azlugz

Adventurer
Consider purchasing some of the items and have your inlaws inventory the boxes and put them in the XJ when it ships and therefore saving some of the individaul shipping cost to send the stuff overseas
 

WFTW

Adventurer
1. Have the Jeep shipped to you...it's the sensible thing to do.
2. Don't have parts put into the vehicle to be shipped with the Jeep. MOST shipping companies won't cover anything except the vehicle itself and the items won't be in your vehicle when you get there. Take it from someone who knows from expierence. I shipped my Jeep to Germany and the punks that shipped it not only stole the 12" sub woofer I had in there, but a pack of cigarettes and every penny out of the place I kept spare change.
 

StumpXJ

SE Expedition Society
Yeah, as much as it would be very easy to load the Jeep up with boxes of new parts, I wont be doing that. They were very strict on what is allowed in the car when we shipped our vehicle over 2.5 years ago. And as you mentioned, sticky fingers must be a requirement to work at these places.

I think I should be able to get most parts I need shipped over here fairly easy. The only thing is weight. With our APO post box, its the same as sending stuff to the states cost wise, but the weight is limited to 70 pounds. No big deal usually, except for some suspension components, but there are ways around that.

Ok, my best bet is stop going by the car lot, cause that damn JK is sweet, and I have spilled enough drool on it (same for the FJ). I will do some searching and figuring and have the old XJ shipped over most likely. Of course, all of this hinges on Toyota getting their stuff together to buy back my truck.

Thanks guys. ~James
 

Scott Brady

Founder
Don't let the unibody concern you. They only see tearing and issues with serious abuse/racing/etc. The XJ is a killer truck; I would proudly own and drive one.
 

StumpXJ

SE Expedition Society
expeditionswest said:
Don't let the unibody concern you. They only see tearing and issues with serious abuse/racing/etc. The XJ is a killer truck; I would proudly own and drive one.


Well that helps! Thanks Scott. ~James
 

Sighthound

New member
The 4th Option

Buy a LHD 1985 Land Rover 90 or 110. That should be 25 years old by the time you return. It would be cheap and conceivably paid for by the time you come back. When you return buy the Jeep or FJ and enjoy 3 great vehicles. Just a thought. A Jeep, a Toyota FJ, and a Land Rover. 3 of the most history steeped "safari" vehicles today. Just a thought.
 

4Rescue

Expedition Leader
expeditionswest said:
Don't let the unibody concern you. They only see tearing and issues with serious abuse/racing/etc. The XJ is a killer truck; I would proudly own and drive one.
Here's the thing with XJU's...and I've owned a few... they turn into rattly money pits eventualy. I love the 4.0L for it's torque adn I love the looks and trail performance, but frankly, they just don't hold up well to abuse. Every single screw in the interior apears to be screwed into plastic and eventualy comes loose and...yep squeek squeek squeek rattle rattle rattle...

What I can't figure out is why Toyota went the direction they didi with the FJ, they have the rigs elsewhere in the world to copmpletely blow the JK out of the water in terms of OR capability and their reliability is something a Jeeps only dream of. Where's the 21th century FJ40 they COULD have given us. hell, where's my US legal 70 series AHHHHHHHH...

Tough choice mate, I just really don't like the new motor in teh JK, and although I'd take it over the FJ as an out of the box wheeler, I'd rather own a Toyota. Like I said, tough choice...

Cheers

Dave
 

4Rescue

Expedition Leader
expeditionswest said:
Don't let the unibody concern you. They only see tearing and issues with serious abuse/racing/etc. The XJ is a killer truck; I would proudly own and drive one.
Here's the thing with XJ's...and I've owned a few... they turn into rattly money pits eventualy. I love the 4.0L for it's torque adn I love the looks and trail performance, but frankly, they just don't hold up well to abuse. Every single screw in the interior apears to be screwed into plastic and eventualy comes loose and...yep squeek squeek squeek rattle rattle rattle...

What I can't figure out is why Toyota went the direction they didi with the FJ, they have the rigs elsewhere in the world to copmpletely blow the JK out of the water in terms of OR capability and their reliability is something a Jeeps only dream of. Where's the 21th century FJ40 they COULD have given us. hell, where's my US legal 70 series AHHHHHHHH...

Tough choice mate, I just really don't like the new motor in teh JK, and although I'd take it over the FJ as an out of the box wheeler, I'd rather own a Toyota. Like I said, tough choice...

Cheers

Dave
 

turner

New member
Well coming from a non biased opinion who has tested all three my personal favorite is the 2 door Jk.... I was formerly Toyota through and through owning many trucks and 4runners.... the only hesitation with the fj is that thing is BIG! other than that i loved it. i felt cramped drivin on 2 lane roads... so the GF insisted i drive the 4 door JK... it was ok at best. least fav of the three... i hated the looks of 4 doors. just not me. and also pretty large especially for a jeep.... now the 2 door rubicon! the styling is growing on me but driving the rubi was sweet!! i liked it alot. A/C!! nice stereo comfy seats... i liked it.... but i'm too tight to drop the cash so i'm still in my yj... but if your used to larger vehics i may go with the fj... loved every thing about it just a little overpowering for my royal smallness. good luck poot!
 

Series1Rangie

Adventurer
2nd buying a lhd defender. that way you can even get a diesel. You should be able to pick up a decent 22 year old one for the price of shipping the xj out and only a little of the build fund, still have money left to make it what you want, and come out with a great truck. Now admittedly I am biased. :) But it does have to do with getting your truck back again. it will cost 4-5 grand to have your xj now AND back to the US. so Instead of 6 grand for mods you are looking at 4 maybe less, if shipping continues to get more expensive. That doesn't mean you need to buy a brand new truck. That seems like a loosing propisition. Find a decent used vehicle heck even another toyota p/u throw the stuff you already fabbed onto it, use it. take the stuff back off sell it when you leave. Take the extra 4 grand you didn't spend, put it in CD's and when you are back in the states surprise the better half with money for the down payment. WIN WIN WIN. I still like the land rover option, but again, that is just me. :D

Mike
 

Cruiser

Adventurer
I've had Toyota's in the past and sat in a new FJ,, I refused to even drive it.. its so poorly designed ergonomically you would think it was done by Harley.. I was always a toy fan,, but also a jeep fan,, Living in the rust belt of Pa historically the older jeeps would rot away before they would stop running.. The newer Toyota's have this issue now.. The frames are just what is the big news.. I've seen too many foreign cars and trucks rot out too early its not funny.. Now as far as reliability,, I had my old 4 banger toy go 160k and ran good,, but had no floors or bed, and the back part of the frame fell off.. My Jeep(03) had just under 100K and I got within 6k of what I paid for it new when I traded it for the 07.. I put 22k miles on that in just over a year when a little old lady hit me head on.. the new jeeps can take a serious impact and protect the occupants.. Both our jeep and the other car were over 50mph..We are hurt but walked out of the crash.. As soon as I got the check I got another 2dr jk.. I agree its smarter to run your xj for the next 2.5 years.. Wish jeep still made that one.. I have buddies with ones that have over 300k miles and they are still going strong.. One of the best engines jeep ever made.. Decent platform too..
 

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