Chevy Tahoe (GMT-400 version) vs FJ80... thoughts

yossarian19

Observer
The wife seems unwilling to drive a Suburban. I want something bigger than my Cherokee, longitudinal engine, 4wd & smaller than a Suburban. So...
Tahoe vs FJ80 or FJ62 on basis of daily driving, cost of ownership and off-road prowess. Modifications must be kept reasonable (bolt on, no SAS)...
Thoughts?
 

Larry

Bigassgas Explorer
Ah, oh....Is this another one of those “what should I buy” or “what should I sell” threads?

If so, just buy the Chevy…..always buy GM and you can’t go wrong. They are about the most economical vehicles available to build and maintain
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plumber mike

Adventurer
We value your opinion Larry! That's why we ask.

I would stick with the gmt400 or anything without the 5.3 active fuel management.

My 98 suburban was sold at 245k.....no major issues.
My wife's 07 tahoe has been a pos, and I'm a chevy guy.

Chevy always seems to have the cheapest replacement parts and the best aftermarket support.

I have always thought toyotas had really poor fuel economy for their size. The 1982 fj60 I had had no major issues when sold at 334k, but was slow and got bad fuel mileage.
 

LR Max

Local Oaf
My dad drives a 02 Yukon Denali. Has like, 220k on the clock. AWESOME TRUCK. It just goes. Needs regular maintenance and clean out the throttle body every once in a while. Otherwise it has awesome carrying capacity and towing capacity. Surprisingly agile as well. Turns better than my sedan.

Off road, it needs help. Very low to the ground and stock tires suck. That said, this was the trails at Uwharrie (my dad may or may not know about this).

Get the 6.0 engine. It is a HOSS. Does guzzle gas, though.

Overall if fuel mileage isn't a concern, get it. Darn good trucks. A mild lift, armor, and tires would do wonder for a Yukon.
 

syoungs

New member
I'm going through the exact issue right now, I was thinking suburban, bit after driving and comparing, imthinkonh they are just to big for the pacific northwest.

Drove a Tahoe and loved it.
Always loved fj60/80's, but the Tahoe has more power, cheaper to maintain, and parts are evverywhere!

I don't think for expo type wheeling the Tahoe is as disadvantaged compared to the 80, crawling or really technical trails it is.
The hoe has a lot more room to.
 

87GMCJimmy

Adventurer
For light wheeling, Tahoe is likely the best choice:
cheap, easy to fix, cheap parts, more power

For harder wheeling, FJ-80 hands down!:
I've wheeled with one and been pleasantly surprised by what they are capable of off road, solid axles and flexy coil springs make for impressive performance!

It depends on how you plan to use it. If you want to do harder trails with the Tahoe, plan on doing a LOT of beefing to the IFS and still managing to break IFS stuff. I think the FJ-80 wins in coolness and off road capability but the Tahoe wins in cheapness and power.
 
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yossarian19

Observer
What I really want is a rig that will haul for family camping, wheel at least as well as my stock Cherokee, and tow at least 7500 lbs. Ideally I'd have a 3/4 ton Tahoe but that's a bit of a rare bird. 14 bolt swap is easy. 4L60E I guess can be built up if needed. The 1/2 ton IFS... how fragile are we talking, here? Will it stand up to 31" tires without breakage? What tends to fail?
 

Chevrolado

Cruisin'
Speaking as an owner of a GMT400 Tahoe 4X4 and in a complete bias... I would recommend the GM over the FJ. hah. :D

I love these Tahoes. Plenty of space for gear, yet still smaller than a big ol truck or something. Easy to repair (for the most part) and parts are readily available.

Personally.. having owned a 94 Silverado, then a 97 Silverado, and now my 95 Tahoe.. If I were buying another vehicle, I would blend it all and go for a 1997/1998 Tahoe. Find someone who took decent care of it, has some receipts from previous work done it, and pick that baby up.
I wish my Tahoe was OBD2.. but oh well. Maybe next time. hah.
 

Haakon

Observer
What I really want is a rig that will haul for family camping, wheel at least as well as my stock Cherokee, and tow at least 7500 lbs. Ideally I'd have a 3/4 ton Tahoe but that's a bit of a rare bird. 14 bolt swap is easy. 4L60E I guess can be built up if needed. The 1/2 ton IFS... how fragile are we talking, here? Will it stand up to 31" tires without breakage? What tends to fail?

The Tahoe is a great rig for taking the family camping, comfortable, big enough to haul your gear and tow. I think you'll have to go with a 2000+ to have a tow rating over 7500 lbs, but even the old style is rated for quite a bit more than the Cherokee.

I don't think there has ever been a 3/4 ton Tahoe, even the rare diesel powered version was still a 1/2 ton. It would be nice if GM made a Tahoe HD but I don't think they ever will. They come with 31" tires from the factory, of course if you abuse it enough you can break anything. I put 60k miles on my 1/2 ton Suburban with 33" tires without any problems, I'd be surprised if the Tahoe did. On anything remotely like a road you aren't likely to break anything, on trails that aren't 'road like' you'll probably run into ground clearance issues first, the Tahoe isn't as big as a Suburban but stock it doesn't have terrific clearance underneath and is still pretty long so getting high centered or scraping going over steep lips is likely - that's been the biggest issue I've had, it's really loud when you scrap the trans cross member across rock. :)

How "off road" are you thinking of going, really? Some people equate off pavement with off road, while to others off road is something mountain goats run up. Unless you go on really narrow trails that are simply too small for the Tahoe it should go anywhere your stock Cherokee can go. The Cherokee has a slightly smaller turning radius, but the Tahoe will surprise you with how tight it can turn.

I like the Tahoe, I've got 2 right now, but the FJ80 looks pretty sweet with a little lift and bigger tires.
 

Dazrin

Adventurer
What I really want is a rig that will haul for family camping, wheel at least as well as my stock Cherokee, and tow at least 7500 lbs. Ideally I'd have a 3/4 ton Tahoe but that's a bit of a rare bird. 14 bolt swap is easy. 4L60E I guess can be built up if needed. The 1/2 ton IFS... how fragile are we talking, here? Will it stand up to 31" tires without breakage? What tends to fail?

I owned a 96 Tahoe for 3 years and then a 98 Tahoe for 10 years and a year ago I sold my 98 and bought an 80, so here are my thoughts. I really liked my Tahoes and wouldn't hesitate to get one again in the future if things change, but I wanted to get into a little more offroading and wanted a second set of doors (my Tahoes were 2-door versions) for my girls. I also had an 89 K5 Jimmy at one point.

For the Tahoe, 32s - 265/75R16 - are the stock size on lots of GMT400s, so 31s wouldn't be a problem, I wouldn't go lower than 32s though. Getting a 14 bolt would be really nice, I would probably try to get a semi-float 14 bolt w/ 6 lugs to keep things simple though. It is really difficult to change the front to 8 lugs without going SAS or maybe wheel spacers/adapters, but you are left with a relatively weak for off road use IFS unless you go SAS. I never had a problem with it though and it is nice for on the road (coming from a K5). I assume you are wanting a 4-door Tahoe (both of mine were 2-Doors) the rear seat space is much better than the 80s. Storage space behind the 2nd row is about comparable, maybe slightly better in the Tahoe. They are cheap and easy to take care of and should last a long time with proper care (have already lasted a long time really) and with the 5.7 have much better power than an 80 unless you get a supercharged 80. Offroad is a different matter. I doubt it will do as well as your stock Cherokee unless you get a lift and bigger tires and have a working rear limited slip (they tend to be flaky), but they do fairly well for such a large rig. You need about a 6 inch lift for 35s (some have done it with less, but ...) and with as long as the Tahoe is it isn't great for clearances. Going to 285/75 generally only involves a torsion crank, but that can accellerate wear on components so some people don't want to do that. They are also quite a bit wider than the Jeeps, so don't fit in a lot of places the Jeeps do and ruts tend to be the wrong size at least if there are a lot of jeeps around.

For the 80, it is a little smaller, but is still a nice ride even with the solid front axle. It takes more money to maintain but I don't feel like I will ever be left stranded. I really miss the V8 from my Tahoe, but the 80 is acceptable for me. On road it rides very smooth, not quite as nice as the Tahoe due to the solid front, but off road a stock 80 will run circles around a stock Tahoe, especially if you get the lockers with it (yay!). It is much cheaper to fit 35s on an 80 and only needs about 2.5" lift and lift kits in this range are much less expensive than for a 6" on the Tahoe; you can fit 33s (285/75R16) on it stock to get a good off road boost with only buying tires. For offroad specific accessories (skid plates, sliders, etc), the 80 has better market support, but for other items the Chevy tends to be easier to find things for.
 

The_Dude

Adventurer
I have owned an 80 for two years. Not a Chevy guy by any means, but I haven't owned one so I have no room to bash them.

My 80 is built up for expedition type travel. See my signature. I love the thing, it is a gas hog however. The leg room leaves a bit to be desired as well. I am 5'8 and have the drivers seat all the way back. Rear leg room is tight too. I think 4 average sized adults could be comfy though. Mine came with lockers and it is unbelievable off road. On the hwy I get about 13-14mpg. Not great but it could be worse. Its AWD so going from dry to bad conditions isn't bad. I haven't towed anything with it so I cant comment on the towing, I get a feeling it would do alright up to about 65 mph. The build quality is 2nd to none. I drove the Kokopelli Trail in it and got bounced and slammed around for 3 days. Once back on the interstate there were no new noises or rattles. Mine currently has 136k on it which is young. They are more expensive for maintenance than a Chevy I guess but I wouldn't let that scare you away. If you are mechanically inclined then they are just as easy to work on. I can sit in the engine compartment with the I6 in it. The engine is a bit of a dog but the thing weighs 3 tons. They can be had very cheap too. I paid 8k for mine 2 years ago, there is nothing that even touches this truck for bang for the buck!

Solid coil sprung axles
Rear full float axle with a 9.5" ring gear
Tank like build quality
The visibility in the truck is the best I have ever had
Great aftermarket support (I could be wrong but aftermarket stuff for the Chevy's seem generic?)
Inexpensive to lift, fits 35's on 2.5" of lift.
Available select-able LOCKERS

Right now there are only 3 factory vehicles that would sway me from my 80 and all are over 35k.

The Ford Raptor and Dodge Power Wagon tie for me and 3rd is the Wrangler Rubicon.
 

edlaffoon

Adventure Every Day
I'm going to have to agree with the Chevrolet sentiment here (big surprise I know). The simple reason being that I see, on average about 2 80 series LCs a month here in my area, and I only see about 500 IFS Chevrolets a day lol.

If I was in dire need of parts they can be found just about anywhere around here. When my engine blew up I asked a friend of mine if he knew any good mechanics who could rebuild an SBC and the reply was "Only every mechanic ever".
 

madmax718

Explorer
So true. there was a time that you could find a mechanic who could rebuild your SBC in half a day. Drunk. and had parts in stock to do it. Its a little rarer now, but you can russle up some old guys, and they probably have one somewhere built and ready to go.

96+ Gas tahoe's and Vortec motors instead of the TBI, slightly better fuel economy and more power. (and obd2). Think they might have gotten a second air bag as well.

the diesels did get a 14BSF I believe, but in a 6 lug configuration. Not certain about the front pumpkin. Hard to find one without 250+ miles on it though. Your best luck is to try and look for the "barn door"- most tahoe's with diesels had the barn door, and not the gate.

Parts are truly everywhere. I think its become more parts for the 89-99 silverado/yukon/fullsize blazer/suburban/tahoe than the 73-91.
 

86tuning

Adventurer
I like the Tahoe, I've got 2 right now, but the FJ80 looks pretty sweet with a little lift and bigger tires.

80-series come stock with 32" tires, fit 33 without any issues and can fit 35" tires at stock height if you can deal with minor rubbing. With a 2" lift will clear 35s over almost any terrain and you can shoe-horn 37s with a 4" lift.

They are gas hogs though, at 5500lbs empty and only 275tq/227hp aren't quick. Expect 10-12mpg city and 14ish mpg highway. The later FZJ80 with the 4.5L OHC engine would be the one to get. Either 94-97 Landcruiser or Lexus LX450.

Will not like towing more than about 5000lbs, but can capably tow 7500 in the rest of the world (because they have different tow ratings for North America).

I've never had a domestic car/truck so cannot compare direct ownership experiences. However I hear a lot of complaining from my friends about them. No complaints about these Toyotas except for fuel economy.

Also, if you're researching you will come across the ih8mud forums. For the most part that forum is filled with paranoid-OCD types that will believe the sky is falling at any minute.

These trucks are dead solid reliable, wouldn't hesitate to drive any one across the country tomorrow after a quick 10-minute walk-around and under hood inspection, even if I'd never seen or driven that particular car at all.

Major concerns? The newest one is 1997 which is 17 years old. Old enough to earn its own drivers license.
 

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