Diesel engines

ejs262

Active member
When I bought my 1988 Suburban, I had my heart set on putting a duramax in it, power(POWER), fuel economy, NVH, would almost all surely be improved. since then, I'm started thinking more and more about going a different route with the truck, the way I see it, I have 5 options

1. Duramax. Pros, it's stupid powerful, very reliable(LBZ at least...) and should get good economy. cons, with stupid power, comes stupid expensive, and it's also a very large engine, making it harder to package into the truck.

2. 6.5 turbo diesel. pros, it's inexpensive (at least compared to a duramax), should get excellent fuel economy, and make enough power for my needs. cons, some variants have a history of snapping crankshafts, and IIRC, all have a very high compression ratio which isn't as good on performance. and for me, there are also many unknowns with regards to tuning the engine for max economy or power. I plan to stay away from 6.2's all together, they get great economy, but that's it. I need to be able to tow occasionally with the truck.

3. 5.2L Izuzu NPR diesel. pros(kinda) I've heard these get stellar fuel economy, even in the box trucks they came in, they're an inline 4, so they might not be that hard to package, and if they have the beans to move a loaded box truck, a puny Suburban should be a cake walk. cons, I know almost nothing about these engines, and what I do is mostly hearsay. Performance numbers I've seen online all look promising though.

4.. Cummins 4bt or 6bt, pros, everyone knows the name Cummins, they make great power, and are downright bulletproof, I'm told the 4bt gets great fuel economy too. cons, I prefer not to mix and match engine and transmission manufacturers, I don't trust any Chrysler transmission at all, and I would prefer to keep my Suburban an automatic.

5. don't burn diesel. this option is the easiest for sure, but I would like to improve my range without carrying jerry cans. the truck has a 40 gallon fuel tank, and I imagine a diesel could net at least a 50% increase in my current ~400 mile range.

I would love to hear your thoughts, opinions, and experience.
 

Explorerinil

Observer
I know a guy that swapped a 4bt with a turbo 400 trans into his suburban, I’m not sure on the details of the swap but he has all the factory gauges working fine and swapped in a AAM rear axle out of a 4th gen ram.
 

Marine

Adventurer
6bt but the length of them makes me wonder if it would fit. But I like the idea of a dirty max. Mind you I'm not a mechanic by any stretch of the imagination.
 

plumber mike

Adventurer
Do you plan to travel with a heavy trailer? That’s where I’d want the torque of a diesel. Dmax is great but given the design, it’s a PITA to work on in comparison to the Cummins....at least for me. I’m no mechanic. I’d want some type of removable doghouse in the firewall. Maybe go full on DIY4X dash kit at that point. Big project. My time is precious. I sold the old burb and picked up a newer Cummins.
Just a traveling rig? I think I’d do a gear vendors unit with a decent stone reliable gas engine....maybe LS. If I was shooting for super economy then I’d do a 4bt and keep the gear vendors and stock axles. Too much power and tire and stock 88 burb axles toast quick.
Pics of burb please. Love em all!
 

Buliwyf

Viking with a Hammer
Kinda stinks that a ht502 isn't on your list.

 

ejs262

Active member
Do you plan to travel with a heavy trailer? That’s where I’d want the torque of a diesel. Dmax is great but given the design, it’s a PITA to work on in comparison to the Cummins....at least for me. I’m no mechanic. I’d want some type of removable doghouse in the firewall. Maybe go full on DIY4X dash kit at that point. Big project. My time is precious. I sold the old burb and picked up a newer Cummins.
Just a traveling rig? I think I’d do a gear vendors unit with a decent stone reliable gas engine....maybe LS. If I was shooting for super economy then I’d do a 4bt and keep the gear vendors and stock axles. Too much power and tire and stock 88 burb axles toast quick.
Pics of burb please. Love em all!

I have a project car, that I will probably use this suburban to haul it to track days and the like. if the Rig stays a gas burner, I'll swap an LSx of some kind and call it a day.

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Kinda stinks that a ht502 isn't on your list.

They're tough engines, but I'm not down for 6 MPG.
 

LimaMikeMike

Observer
6bt in a square body is a fairly common swap, advance adapters might have what you need to make it work with a modern GM trans. These guys probably know a thing or two about it as well.


I’ve run into some newer Duramax/Allison swaps up here in Alberta, two swapped 3/4 ton ex-RCMP suburbans and one H2. From talking to the owners it wasn’t easy or cheap.

If you go big gas, you might want to pick Larry’s brain. One of my favourite builds on expo.

 
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ttengineer

Adventurer
There is a company in Pensacola FL that will mate an Allison 1000 transmission to a Cummins motor called Custom Automatic Conversions


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Buddha.

Finally in expo white.
I have a project car, that I will probably use this suburban to haul it to track days and the like. if the Rig stays a gas burner, I'll swap an LSx of some kind and call it a day.
I have the 6.0 six speed combo in my 2011 on stock 33’s. Best mpg is 14.5 all highway doing 60mph. I wouldn’t expect the combo to do better in a square body with oversized tires.
What mpg are you currently getting?
 

NatersXJ6

Explorer
I would stay with the 6.5 and refresh it for reliability. It will get you down the road for 400k miles or so with minimal fuss and plenty of power. All the parts are available and fit just fine. Back when I was building a 6.2 turbo truck, I used to regularly reference a site called the diesel page.

Specialized in Chevy Diesels and there were some amazing rigs on there. Find out if they still exist and learn that those engines do fine.

You will save at least $4-5k over just about any swap, and be done much sooner.
 

ejs262

Active member
$7000-$10,000 Engine conversions in $2,000 trucks does not make much cents!

Different stokes for different folks I guess. I enjoy the challenge of making something better than it was. that being said, the Suburban pictured above was involved in a wreck a few weeks ago and was deemed a total loss by the insurance company. I plan on using the settlement to purchase one with a nicer interior, and body, and put my drivetrain into it short term. the beauty of this project, is that I can drive the truck as is, I can shop around for a deal, without needing to get the truck moving, because it already does. Some guys golf, I wrench, I just enjoy it, so I pay nothing in labor on any swap I do, and I make alot of my own parts as I need them, instead of buying them.

I have the 6.0 six speed combo in my 2011 on stock 33’s. Best mpg is 14.5 all highway doing 60mph. I wouldn’t expect the combo to do better in a square body with oversized tires.
What mpg are you currently getting?

last I checked I was getting around 10-12, I need to check again though. if it came to the point of an LS swap, it wouldn't be about fuel mileage anymore, it would be improved drivability, and more power.

I would stay with the 6.5 and refresh it for reliability. It will get you down the road for 400k miles or so with minimal fuss and plenty of power. All the parts are available and fit just fine. Back when I was building a 6.2 turbo truck, I used to regularly reference a site called the diesel page.

Specialized in Chevy Diesels and there were some amazing rigs on there. Find out if they still exist and learn that those engines do fine.

You will save at least $4-5k over just about any swap, and be done much sooner.


I found "The Diesel Page" the other night, I'm going to do a little reading and see what I can find.

being done sooner brings up one of the other selling points of a 6.5, it bolts into the stock SBC mounts, 0 fad required to put the engine in, I'm sure making it run is another story though.
 

calicamper

Expedition Leader
Different stokes for different folks I guess. I enjoy the challenge of making something better than it was. that being said, the Suburban pictured above was involved in a wreck a few weeks ago and was deemed a total loss by the insurance company. I plan on using the settlement to purchase one with a nicer interior, and body, and put my drivetrain into it short term. the beauty of this project, is that I can drive the truck as is, I can shop around for a deal, without needing to get the truck moving, because it already does. Some guys golf, I wrench, I just enjoy it, so I pay nothing in labor on any swap I do, and I make alot of my own parts as I need them, instead of buying them.



last I checked I was getting around 10-12, I need to check again though. if it came to the point of an LS swap, it wouldn't be about fuel mileage anymore, it would be improved drivability, and more power.




I found "The Diesel Page" the other night, I'm going to do a little reading and see what I can find.

being done sooner brings up one of the other selling points of a 6.5, it bolts into the stock SBC mounts, 0 fad required to put the engine in, I'm sure making it run is another story though.
There is a 6.5 thread for a Old Rover conversion. Hes on his second one. Size doesn’t seem to be an issue but the diesel is like 300lbs heavier than the gas equivalent. Mechanical fuel system.
 

ejs262

Active member
There is a 6.5 thread for a Old Rover conversion. Hes on his second one. Size doesn’t seem to be an issue but the diesel is like 300lbs heavier than the gas equivalent. Mechanical fuel system.

I don't think weight will be a huge issue, worst case, I add a leaf to the front spring packs
 

NatersXJ6

Explorer
I might have missed the point, is your current 88 a gasser? If so, I highly recommend selling / swapping it for a diesel rig. There are a lot of differences:

Radiator
Oil cooler
Dash cluster and gauges
Air conditioner routing
Front Springs
Fuel tank
Fuel Pickup
Fuel return lines
Fuel Filter
Firewall sound deadening
Entire engine harness
Dual battery setup
Transmission torque converter? I’m not sure about that?
Transmission control (no vacuum on diesel)
Hydro boost brakes and power steering (no vacuum on diesel)
Starter
Exhaust pipes and maybe routing

Convert 6.2 to 6.5 or add turbo = easy
Convert SBC to either = doable but less fun
 

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