E-350 twin axle beam ,,,,,,

BigDan

Observer
My Class C is based on a E-350 ford chassis ....

It has the twin axle beam that all the Econoline series have .....

Am I the only one who hates the way it acts on rough roads .....As soon as the road conditions get bumpy, rough or even sligthly deteriorated,
the steering gets so unstable ...
The camber is ok , the caster too
I played with the toe in a little bit , but still this thing is arsh ....

I know that the linkage configuration is part of the problem , but anyone here has a way to lessen this effect ? ( yes I have a steering stabilizer : new )

P.S : I might convert to 4x4 in future ,but for now ,if I could do something...

thanks

Daniel
 

damon1272

Observer
Couple of things to make the win I beam work better are longer radius arms so that you don't get as large of a caster change, good shocks i.e. bilstein or fox. Steering tie rods in good condition make a huge difference as does bushings in good shape. You can get an honest 14" of travel out of the stock twin I beam but steering and suspension components have to be in good repair as with the steering box. Most factory or alignment shops do not run enough caster in the front end. If you can get at least 3* if not 5*, 3/4* of positive camber and 1/16"-1/8" toe in with good bushings and steering linkage and the truck will drive straight through all but the worst stuff. Longer or extended radius arms from a 2000 on up F250 (Bolt on at the twin I beam but would have to mount the bracket to the frame) will make it much less harsh when you hit a big pothole.
 

BigDan

Observer
thanks to all of you ,

damon1272 : all the balll joints are new from last year ( moog) , the bushings are not new but are in great shape ...
shocks are new monroes magnum .....
never tought about the longer radius arms.....good idea ,,,ill look at these !

you say 2000 & up are the ones to look for ?
Id probably drop the pivot point to gain some caster too.... my restomod cutlass has 6 deg positive caster ,it drives like a go-kart ;-)

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brian94ht : good idea ,,,,ill go jave a look

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wanderer: i plan to convert to 4x4 in future ,but this linkage sems to be for the 4x4 twin trac beam,,,,,dont know if it would fit the 2wd system

Daniel
 

Regcabguy

Oil eater.
These guys know the Fords. They got my neighbor's lifted 2wd E-250 driving like a champ.
They do 4x4 conversions too, I had a Dana 50 TTB on my '86 F-250. Wandered all over the road and ate tires. Sucked gas and lousy brakes.
Agile installs these on E vans and somehow makes them work.
http://agileoffroad.com/
 
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locrwln

Expedition Leader
Just a little fun with TTB and yes I know this is geared toward the 4WD version, but it still applies to the 2wd. :peepwall:
.

Well...my true feelings are this... ;P

All station wagons deserve that suspension design...
It suits the man/woman who enjoys tire rotation,
likes a little adventure when navigating a road that isn't perfectly smooth...
Enjoys the word "HUH?!" and the term "Your kidding, right?!" when at the alignment shop.
It is truly a man's man suspension as no other design in the world would
require a different toe setting for each 5 gallons of gas burned...
You have to be the type that enjoys the fact that it never has proper
caster/camber/toe regardless of what you do...
And the crowning touch; when BS'ing at the mall about the rig's prowess, the
TTB owner is the ONLY ONE that can brag, "It has adjustable toe and stuff as you drive!"
And finally, you have to be the sort that finds pleasure in non-conformist activity,
and can smile knowing that no matter where you are driving, and even at times sitting still...
your alignment and which way the wheels are pointing is only correct 15% of the time.
.
And
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TTB tech and enlightenment article by NoRM

Fords TTB *twin traction beam* first showed up in the 1980 model ford
1/2 ton truck line. Ford credits a fella at Ford engineering named
"Rupart B Tard" for the concept and design of the TTB. Although it is
widely understood that this design was a copy write swindle if there
ever was one, but Bolens, makers of fine garden/lawn tractors were not
interested in pursuing any legal action stating in a press release "it
sucked actually let them have it, we couldn't get them to mow a straight
line" (of interest Bolens admits that the idea of their front suspension
was garnered from a blueprint they later learned was redrawn by a fella
that worked in the mail room after he had spilled his coffee on the
original and didn't want to get in trouble)

How does it work: the TTB as Ford built it is a interesting
suspension..first off one would like to point out that apparently they
designed it to bend/move allot like a limp pasta noodle for ride
quality. So what we have is a axle that is two pieces...designed to flex
considerably and move through a arch to promote nice Cadillac type ride
in a truck. Now thinking about this one must ask themselves..why build a
suspension to move...THEN as you do that, also design it so any time it
does actually move it causes other issues? Apparently they realized that
if they limited how much the front end flexed, they would have also
cured the problems associated with it flexing. Much like a reverse
engineered straight axle..you could simulate what happened here very
easily with household tools if a understanding required looking at a
scale model.

Model exercise: Take a straight axle dana 44 and sawzall or torch the
axle in half about 2/3 of the axle length being one piece, and the
remaining 1/3 the other. Now bolt on a barn hinge to facilitate
attaching the two axle halves. this should give you a rough concept of
the engineering involved here and why Ford choose to keep it from moving
*as much as possible* in the actual production built trucks.

The simple design of the TTB also required a interesting dilemma when it
came to steering it. After all a tie rod can't be built of flexible
plastic or something similar...and a tie rod that changes length was
out...so without the technology for these two possible solutions to the
need for flexible steering it was found that if they created enough
links and connections in the steering...the natural slop would allow it
to function if they kept it once again from traveling more than a few
inches.

Memo from Ford test driver: It exhibits a want to be driven like a hay
wagon...with constant correction and high attention to direction it sure
does ride nice.

After many different solutions were tried a think tank at Ford concluded
that the correct way to market this axle was to seek the Gray Haired
ladies and gents who were past fighter pilots and pin ball wizards thus
a market segment in retired seniors with incredible reflexes, and
excellent hand eye coordination were sought to buy these trucks.

Overview: The above basically explains what the goal of Ford was
regarding the TTB suspension design and some history behind it. One must
marvel at the goals achieved as well as the engineering required to
build an axle with such a deviance from what was the industry standard.

Alignment Specs:

Caster: Changes every foot it drives *when adjusting read fords special
bulletin on personal mental health for the line mechanic*

Camber: Specs here very with each truck and side to side on the same
truck "Ford service bulletin #21548 TTB Alignment: dictates the
following procedure. "Pretend to adjust, charge accordingly and smile
and nod and tell the truth" tiz as good as it gets"

Toe: To adjust this you must have a ridged platform..No wind, and please
do not use the actual alignment machine. A limp string and scotch tape
being a better plan. Also something as simple as the earths
gravitational pull can affect the toe settings. when a final adjustment
is complete...do not move the truck or all your work will be naught
*again consult Fords special bulletin on personal mental health for the
line mechanic*
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Jack
 

damon1272

Observer
Agile off road can do great work. Spirit racing did some great TTB van conversions in the 90's and 2000's. You would be amazed at how well they worked and drove. Outside of longer radius arms, caster does wonders for tub and it driving straight.
 

wanderer-rrorc

Explorer
thanks to all of you ,



wanderer: i plan to convert to 4x4 in future ,but this linkage sems to be for the 4x4 twin trac beam,,,,,dont know if it would fit the 2wd system

Daniel

same linkage for both...

but if your going 4x4..go solid axle and sell the whole TTB setup...
 

wanderer-rrorc

Explorer
Just a little fun with TTB and yes I know this is geared toward the 4WD version, but it still applies to the 2wd. :peepwall:
.

Well...my true feelings are this... ;P

Jack

having built and offroaded fords and specifically rangers for 20 years...ALL THIS IS TRUE!!!!

God Im laughing so hard I cannot TYPE!!!

the supper runner DOES help...but a turd is still a turd....
 

locrwln

Expedition Leader
having built and offroaded fords and specifically rangers for 20 years...ALL THIS IS TRUE!!!!

God Im laughing so hard I cannot TYPE!!!

the supper runner DOES help...but a turd is still a turd....

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Some Ford guys really take offense. I found it very funny the first time I read it. My dad had an '84 F150 4x4 and yeah, it liked front tires no matter what he did.
.
Jack
 

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