Four Wheel camper remodel-advice needed!

Mamba

New member
Howdy folks!

About a year ago I purchased a 2000 Tacoma with a Four Wheel pop up camper on it:

Behold, Lolita!
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It has served me very well and I lived in it for about eight months last year, travelling around the desert on climbing and boating trips, and working in the Tetons in the summer.

It's an older model (eagle?), maybe mid 90's and is in great shape, but there are things that I would like to change.

First: the fridge. The propane fridge is finicky at best and blows out in a strong wind (common occurrence in the desert and Wyoming), is difficult to maintain temperature, and doesnt work on the 12v while driving. I would like to replace it with something that I can afford (ummm... I live in this thing out of necessity, not just for fun!). Right now it's just taking up space.

Second: another thing that's taking up space: the Water tank. Can I just rip it out and have more storage, and carry around a 5 gallon jug for drinking water and dishes?

Third: Roof rack: I commonly am carrying two whitewater kayaks around with me- a creek boat which goes on my super ghetto homemade 2x4 roof rack, and a play boat that fits inside. This makes stealth camping in parking lots somewhat difficult, since I can't fit inside with the playboat and occasionally a bike. Also, I can't easily lift or lower the roof with one kayak on there, much less two (or future solar panels, etc), so I have to always take the boat off while camping. One time it also snowed 5" of wet heavy snow and trying to lower the roof resulted in a pretty good knock to the head and a sore neck (it pretty much collapsed as soon as I touched the knob on the panels). I see that the newer models have hydraulic lifters on the roof. Can mine be retrofitted with these?

Fourth: the cushions on the bed are thin and uncomfortable. They are the older 1.5-2" thick version. It's a pain to carry around an extra Paco pad, so when I'm alone I just keep the two cushions together and they are comfortable but a little short (I'm 5'8" and they're about 5'4"). Then when another person sleeps in there with me, it's back the the very uncomfortable cushions. I can't make them thicker because I won't be able to fold the camper down. I have thought about having Jacks Plastic Welding make me some custom Paco pads which would be awesome, especially to take them out and sleep under the stars, but then there's still the problem that they would be too short. Probably not a cheap solution either, since the stock pacos cost around $250 each new. I would love some suggestions for a relatively cheap, durable, and supportive solution.

I would also love some suggestions for lightweight materials to build new cabinets out of.

Thanks!
 
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kerry

Expedition Leader
Memory foam for a mattress? My wife bought a 3" memory foam topper for a king sized bed at Sam's Club for about $120. It's really nice on top of our mattress. Not sure how it would be on a solid surface. I've got no ideas about your roof lifting issue but it makes me feel good that I can crank up the roof on our Northstar with two canoes or three kayaks on top. I put some baffles and some aluminum duct sealing tape around the burner on our propane fridge. It helped with the getting blown out problem. I think since I did that, it's only blown out when driving down the road.
 

cchoc

Wilderness Photographer
Yakima tracks on the roof are a good way to configure a roof rack, just make sure you find the frame bars to screw them in to.

Lots of people use a crank up speaker stand like this with the tripod legs removed to raise and lower the roof with a load on it. There are several threads on wanderthewest.com discussing this.

Compressor fridges are nice but the do use up power so if you go that way you may also want to look at some solar. Top loaders like the Engle are much more efficient than side loaders, I've had both.
 
12V Engel 45. Got the display demo model at the expo, get there early, buy before expo starts. Got mine -$300. Or have them bring you one and save on shipping.

I love my 20 gallon water tank, it gives me better center of gravity and doesn't effect mileage, plus I drive for days in middle of nowhere and not needing a refill. Love my on demand hot water shower too...Eccotemp L5

Yakima racks and tracks installed by FWC. Will hurt mileage. I tow my yaks & bikes on my M416

2" memory foam on top of existing FWC cushions
 
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JaSAn

Grumpy Old Man
Sorry I'm late in replying. I've been off line for a while.

I have a 1977 Grandby with a home built interior. To your questions.

Refrigerator:
There is a thread somewhere on Wanderthewest of fabricating a wind screen for the pilot light of a 3-way that solves that problem. I have a compressor fridge and love coming back from a backpacking trip to cold beer. Compressor fridges require ~ 25 - 40 amp-hours a day and are spendy new; they can be found used. Chest type can be put in the back of your cab during travel to run off the truck battery. As for running on 12 volt; the stock wiring from the alternator to the camper is probably too small = too much voltage drop. I ran AWG 6 and wish I had gone to AWG 4.

Water Tank:
Yes it can be taken out. I use 1 gallon jugs as they are easier to store, fill, and manhandle. The water tank location is a good place to put batteries if you go solar.

Roof Rack/Lifting the Top:
I can't comment on carrying on the roof as I have solar filling 1/2 my roof with a vent and antennas in back.

As to lifting, there is a very long thread on WanderTheWest on retrofitting FWC and ATC campers: http://www.wanderthewest.com/forum/topic/2974-roof-lifting-helper-shocks-thingys/
Also, the speaker lift is a back (and head) saver: https://www.amazon.com/Rockville-Sp...8&qid=1485871933&sr=8-1&keywords=speaker+lift
I screwed wooden closet rod cups to the lift panels to center the top end of the lift. When you get to my age your back will thank you!

Some guys take along a snow rake to remove snow before lifting/lowering the top. I modified a set of climbing etrier (webbing ladder) to get to the roof and clean the top (or solar panels) with a short handled broom.

Cushions/Mattress:
Some of the guys I know that have FWC campers use self inflating backpacking pads; the the 3.5 inch thick ones should fit without deflating. Others use memory foam (be aware that memory foam can get rock hard in below freezing temps). Others buy a new foam mattress of the density they prefer and use sheets or make a cover.

Lightweight Cabinets:
Foam core cabinet construction: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ucf2FVIdr1Q

I built my cabinets out of 1/2" plywood and my camper weighs 1250 lbs with 14 days supplies. I could have gone with 3/8" or framed 1/4" but I come from the 'when in doubt build it stout' school of engineering. http://www.wanderthewest.com/forum/topic/9972-renovating-sköldpaddan-–-1977-grandby-interior-build/

jim
 
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subterran

Adventurer
Hi!
I just replaced my mattress not long ago, and I can't say enough good things about this company I used:

http://www.thefoamfactory.com/mattress/mattress.html

I have very little experience in foams, so I called them up, and they helped me navigate the MANY choices in regular foams and memory foams. I wound up going with a medium firmness regular foam 2" base, then another 2" of soft memory foam. They also sewed me a custom cover that fit perfectly (4" thick), and the whole thing was surprisingly cheap. We have been very happy with the result.

All the best!
 

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