Funny jab at Land Rover in Car's 2

Wander

Expedition Leader
Just saw the movie, it's a sequel so not as good as the original but still fun. The graphics by Pixar are as always, impressive.

The identifying picture of the "bad guy" looks very much like a 3.9 at which Mater exclaimed "that's a all aluminum V8 with whitworth threads and impossible to find parts, that's one the worst engines ever built!" Later he mentioned "as we all know, if there's no oil under a British engine, there's no oil IN a British engine". I enjoyed the inside joke and wondered if someone at Pixar is a LR owner/fan?
 

dcarr1971

Adventurer
I'd be upset if it wasn't true. That's OK though...other people being scared of Rovers is what keeps them affordable for me.

Look at the bright side...maybe Pixar has a bunch of Rover enthusiasts who are looking to keep the prices down... LOL
 

Snagger

Explorer
That's a bit rich - a US company claiming US engines are better than British... have you seen the power to size/weight and fuel consumption of US engines versus European or Japanese engines? And lets not forget the P51 was a turkey until its Allison was replaced with the RR Merlin... Ironically, the Rover V8 is American in origin ('60s Buick), so it's not even an accurate slander! ;) The true British engines in LRs like the Tdi and TD5 seem pretty reliable if not over-tuned and if regularly serviced.
 

LtFuzz

Explorer
That's a bit rich - a US company claiming US engines are better than British... have you seen the power to size/weight and fuel consumption of US engines versus European or Japanese engines? And lets not forget the P51 was a turkey until its Allison was replaced with the RR Merlin... Ironically, the Rover V8 is American in origin ('60s Buick), so it's not even an accurate slander! ;) The true British engines in LRs like the Tdi and TD5 seem pretty reliable if not over-tuned and if regularly serviced.

Ah yes, the urban legend of unreliable British cars.
 

Wander

Expedition Leader
Yeah, it was pretty rich. The motor in question was in the "bad guy" car which bore a vague LR look, but not really. There are clear LR's in the movie that are body guards to the Queen (black RR's) and natty looking Series trucks that are the Royal Guard at the palace.
 

OBX Seafari

Outdoorsman
haha funny jab, have to agree though with Snagger. My 4.0 V8 has been reliable since day 1. 200k miles later and just oil changes
 

Snagger

Explorer
Yeah, it was pretty rich. The motor in question was in the "bad guy" car which bore a vague LR look, but not really. There are clear LR's in the movie that are body guards to the Queen (black RR's) and natty looking Series trucks that are the Royal Guard at the palace.
Sounds like I'll have to take the family to see it, then... strictly for the kids' sakes though.. ;)
 

Snagger

Explorer
Ah yes, the urban legend of unreliable British cars.
I was talking about the engines rather than the cars. The trouble with British cars started in the 70s when we had a Labour (socialist) government and the unions got out of control. Most British car manufacturers had been absorbed into the state run British Leyland, which is never a good way to run any business as the bureaucrats and politicians overrule the engineers and designers and the work force tend to go out on strikes and do a terrible job when they're rarely in work. You also get the good parts of the company (LR) propping up the lame ducks, so any profits that could have gone into product development or increasing quality are diverted to companies which should have been closed down. That's why the worst years for LRs were the 70s and early 80s - as Jeremy Clarkson put it: one of the finest cars built by minkies with a quality control standard of "that'll do". Even now, Solihull is plagued by the ghost of the unions and militant workers - it's like a persistent weed that is hard to eradicate. It wasn't until Thatcher's government played such a hard line that things got back under control and the Uk went back to work, becoming a leading rather than failing economy again. See the parallels with the current UK situation, bankrupt after another Labour government and the public sector workers (teachers, nurses and bureaucrats going out on strike again - the Civil Service and teachers are so crap I doubt we'll even notice the difference)? So much for Blair's and Brown's comments that history is irrelevant and that we should be looking forward; if you don't study your history, you can't see your path.

Even since then, the bean counters have had too strong an influence on vehicle production (and every other aspect of all UK industries) forsaking quality for cost of production, which is why the electrical and electronic components on so many UK vehicles are of such poor quality. Look at the Nissans and Toyotas made in the UK and not only can they churn out extraordinary volumes but also produce exceptional quality. It just goes to show what is possible when you have good management - a rarity in the UK.

For all that, it's still more than slightly hypocritical for the film to claim that UK cars are unreliable by comparison to US vehicles - from what I've seen, read and heard, they're pretty much on a par with each other. Now, had they suggested Italian vehicles were unreliable... :coffeedrink:

Anyway, all of that is probably a little over-analytical for a simple joke in a kids' film - I'm looking forward to seeing it; the first was good, even if it still can't quite reach the heights of Toy Story and The Incredibles. :)
 
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Wander

Expedition Leader
Here, here Nick, spot on summation. We also saw our auto industry fall in the 70's (what was it about that decade?!) which correlated with large growth in the unions.That lead to the car companies moving as much as possible out of union territories like Michigan just to states where the workers choose to have the union or not.
Your right, we are getting too deep over a movie, it is a good one to watch, I enjoy seeing how Pixar steps up the technology and quality of their graphics everytime.
 

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