Hitchgate + trailer? Anybody do it?

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
I just spent 3 hours wrestling the with stupid, idiotic, dumb, dumb, dumb spare tire hoist on my Suburban. :mad: For those not aware, the GMs (at least like mine) have a mechanism to hold the spare tire under the rear of the vehicle with a cable hoist - a setup that lots of trucks and SUVs have (and my last 4 trucks/SUVs had this very setup.) However, GM decided to add a useless, stupid, trouble-prone thing called a "secondary latch" to prevent the spare tire from dropping even if the cable breaks (which, BTW, I've NEVER had happen on any of my other vehicles with cable-drop spares.)
.
The problem with the "secondary latch" (and it is notorious among GM folks) is that the "secondary latch" often fails to UN-latch and that means you can't lower the spare, no matter what you do. It's such a common problem that there is a procedure in the owner's manual to get it to unlatch, and multiple YouTube videos. The problem is, on older vehicles like mine, especially those that have spent time in the rust belt (mine was in WI for 8 years) that latch will often rust and fail to release no matter what you try.
.
As I said, I spent 3 hours trying to get mine to release using every trick in the book: WD-40, jiggling it, squeezing the release with a pair of channel locks, with no luck.
.
Then I said "SCREW IT!" and got the angle grinder out. Ground off one of the "lobes" of the part that goes in the center of the wheel to hold it in place and - VOILA! Tire dropped free (I sure am glad I didn't learn this lesson by the side of the road in the middle of the night in the pouring rain, BTW.) Currently the tire is sitting in the back of the Suburban (I folded the 3rd row forward to make room for it.)
.
Now the 'Burb has a lot of space, that's true, but eventually I'd like to come up with a more permanent solution, so I'm thinking of the Tiregate/Hitchgate.
.
My only concern is that the primary use of my Suburban is as a tow vehicle for our T@B Clamshell. I see the Tiregate has a 2" receiver, just curious if anyone else pulls a trailer with theirs? Any issues or problems? Do you have adequate clearance for making tight turns?
.
Any other options out there? I could always buy a replacement tire holder and go back to the stock setup but I'm very skeptical of that.
.
EDITED TO ADD: I actually wouldn't mind keeping it inside the back of the Suburban if I could find a way to mount it vertically so it doesn't take up so much room. Any ideas there?
 

rayra

Expedition Leader
watch the weight, the towing package receiver says 12,000-lbs and 500-lb tongue weight.
Hitchgate and spare will eat half of that tongue weight limit.
Might do a spare or two on the trailer instead and a hitchgate when you are sans trailer.
 

Happykamper

Explorer
Like your style, the old get a bigger hammer approach. If it won't work cut it off the truck, ingenious :;.
Why don't you just take it to a fab shop and get exactly what you want.
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
I dunno that GM mechanism, how about remove it all & fit a spare tyre hoist from a reliable truck such as Toyota ?

Actually I could just replace the factory system but grind off the secondary latch when I do.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

cahilj

New member
I have.

IMG074.jpg


I snapped this after an unfortunate U joint failure on the highway. It was easier (and free) to have it loaded on the rollback and hauled back to my house since I was so close.

I built my own "tiregate" with a Ranchhand style bumper, a trailer stub axle, and some square tube. I can literally hang off the end of it with it swung open. I've since changed the single fuel can rack to a dual rack. I originally had left the factory hitch receiver on it, but since I was rarely towing with the truck, I took it off and moved the ball to the bumper.

DSCN1787.jpg


I would suggest picking up a used bumper and fabbing it up. I think I've got about $200 into this one, including the used bumper. If you have the roll down rear window, it will work nicely, I'm not sure how many times you want to open and close it with the barn doors though.
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
I really can't believe what a terrible design this "secondary latch" is. I'm so glad I found this out now - on a warm and sunny day in my driveway instead of in the middle of nowhere in the pouring rain with a flat tire and no way to lower the spare. I'm sure it's happened to others.
.
Anyway, Obviously a custom bumper would be the "clean" option but very expensive (I would imagine $1200 or so to start with vs. ~ $800 for the Hitchgate.) Two issues with that, first off, I only keep my vehicles for about 3 years so the idea of sinking that much money into a bumper is not appealing to me (and by contrast, the nice thing about a hitchgate is that I can transfer it to my next vehicle if I want to.) Second issue is that my Suburban is not just a "travel" vehicle, it has to function as a part time grocery getter and the thought of having to constantly work around a swing out (even at home) is another one that doesn't appeal to me.
.
For the short term the spare will just ride in the passenger compartment behind the 2nd row seat (3rd row is folded.) When we go on long trips the 3rd row comes out anyway and since it's just the two of us, we can manage with the spare inside. On longer trips I may toy with the idea of putting the Rola rack on the roof and carrying the spare up there, though I hate having that much weight that high (not to mention the possibility of theft.)
 

1stDeuce

Explorer
I agree that the secondary latch is only a decent idea till it starts rusting. I've ground the catch portion off every truck I've had, personal and work, just about as soon as the truck made it to my driveway, or at least before the first long trip.

I recently bought a truck that didn't have a winch. I went to the JY to get one, and discovered that at least some of the early trucks don't have the secondary... I got a winch off an '01 or '02 I think. It didn't have any of the secondary mechanism, and has a smaller spring in the center.

I know the winch made you mad, and now you're looking for something "better", but I have a swing out tire carrier on my Jeep, and it's always in the way. For a truck or suburban, just get an early JY winch, or cut the latch off a later one, and put the tire back where it goes. That way it's out of the way, and it'll always drop when you need it.
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
I know the winch made you mad, and now you're looking for something "better", but I have a swing out tire carrier on my Jeep, and it's always in the way. For a truck or suburban, just get an early JY winch, or cut the latch off a later one, and put the tire back where it goes. That way it's out of the way, and it'll always drop when you need it.
.
Yeah, I may have overreacted. :eek: Anyway, I actually found a solution over on the Tahoe/Yukon message board. GM replacement part, with NO secondary latch. Bolt-in replacement for about 1/9 the cost of a Tiregate:
.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GU7NTGO...=UTF8&colid=29PHGCD6GGEP&coliid=IDYQBELK3WNX8
.
So I'll be ordering one of those soon.
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
Revisiting this topic after 6 months: After spending the entire 2016 camping season with the spare tire sitting in the cargo area of the Suburban, I finally got around to replacing the tire hoist.
.
The one I got is the one listed above from Amazon. Installation was straightforward: The only "tricky" part was removing the plastic tube/guide that the jack handle slides into in order to lower the hoist. I had to use a long screwdriver to carefully pry up the tabs so I could slide the tube to the rear but once I did it was literally one 15mm bolt to remove and then I was able to rock the hoist and drop it out.
.
Here's the side by side comparison of the two hoists:
.
tirehoist4_zpsttts5ykh.jpg


The old one on the bottom has the rusted-shut "secondary latch" that holds the tire in place even when the cable is completely extended. This was my issue. New one simply doesn't have the secondary latch (nor is it really needed.) One 15mm bolt to put it back in, slide the plastic tube and click it into place and I was back to having a fully functional spare tire under my truck:
.
tirehoist2_zpspvbgxyc8.jpg

.
If ANY Of you have a GMT-800 truck with the spare tire underneath, I would urge you to make sure your spare tire will drop. Do it in nice weather in your driveway because you damn sure don't want to find out by the side of the road in the middle of the night that your spare is inaccessible! I was lucky that I found out in my driveway and was able to use an angle grinder to get the spare tire down but if I'd been on the side of the road I would have been SOL.
 

kojackJKU

Autism Family Travellers!
I am getting the hitch gate to make room for extra stuff inside the cargo area of the patriot...our trailer will only be about 600lbs all toether with about 90lbs of tounge weight.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
189,947
Messages
2,922,571
Members
233,156
Latest member
iStan814
Top