I think my battery isolator crapped out... suggestions?

Bbasso

Expedition goofball
2001 E350 7.3 PSD with dual alternators and dual starting batteries plus one 100ah House battery supplied from the isolator. But I tested the input and it shows 13.7 the output of the isolator shows 10.9.
I'm guessing here that the isolator crapped out.

Please suggest a new isolator I should use?
Another guess is that my van has at least 200 total amps.
(I'm not sure how to check that)
Looking for two suggestions, thank you!
 

Bbasso

Expedition goofball
I took a battery charger that plugs into 110 and was able to brig the battery's volts upto 12.6.
So another semi educated guess about the isolator is not working.
Is there a positive way to test the isolator?
 

CaliMobber

Adventurer
my guess would be by just checking the volts and or amps after the isolater and before it. If its not passing the current then its prob gone bad.

I just gave up on isolators and relays and just wired my batteries together, but i had the same batteries. I figured that way it won't drain one batt down so far and would help it last longer.
 

motoz

Adventurer
I've had a fantastic run with out CTEK D250S.

Its both an isolator and a dc to dc charger. They also have an inbuilt regulator for solar imput.
Three years with zero issues.
 
@Bbasso:
May I ask what kind (and brand) of "isolator" you used?
Measure the voltage of your batteries sitting disconnected after 24h. Then you get the real 'idle' voltage.
12.6 is to little, you should have minimum12.7V +

Sterling devices are made mainly for marine applications. Shouldn't be necessary since you already have two alternators.
The power that you can deliver to the batteries should be more than enough.

Remember:
The battery itself demands the current it needs! Not the alternator.
That in turn means- if the batteries don't take any charge, your alternators can be as big as they want, they are useless.
Get the batteries tested.
 

Bbasso

Expedition goofball
in the picture is what came with the van
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lcsodiver

Adventurer
Some isolators will have a time delay on them before they start charging the house batteries. So you might want to let the vehicle run for a few minutes then check to see if it's passing any current. But on searching that unit it doesn't appear to have a delay.... here is a pdf that has troubleshooting steps at the end of it, might be worth a try!
http://www.grampianowners.com/Links/Battery_Isolator_Inst.pdf
 

DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
The short answer is that while the voltage drop is a bit extreme, it is not uncommon.

Your greater problem is the input number, 13.7v (at 70F) is still a bit low for a 12v system.

Would suggest that you junk the diode based system as fast as you can.

If your alternator only puts out 13.7v, then a battery to battery system like the CTEK or a Sterling (higher cost, higher output) will make a tremendous difference, assuming that you upgrade your cables to about 2/0.

If your alternator puts out 14v or more, then you need only upgrade your cables and install an adequately sized solenoid, like the Blue Sea ACR
http://www.bluesea.com/products/7620/ML-ACR_Automatic_Charging_Relay_-_12V_DC_500A

You might want to start perusing this site:
http://handybobsolar.wordpress.com
 

Bbasso

Expedition goofball
My van always shows 14.0 to 14.2 volts. But I'm unsure of the amps my van puts out, yet. I'm hoping to find out soon.
Another question... since I plan on getting a 100 watt PV would the CTEK be the better choice over the blue seas?
I saw in the description that it can accept solar power. Or just get a standard charge controller and the blue seas' model7620?

Sorry for the additional questions, just trying to make the best of my money...
 

DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
My van always shows 14.0 to 14.2 volts. But I'm unsure of the amps my van puts out, yet. I'm hoping to find out soon.
Another question... since I plan on getting a 100 watt PV would the CTEK be the better choice over the blue seas?
I saw in the description that it can accept solar power. Or just get a standard charge controller and the blue seas' model7620?

Sorry for the additional questions, just trying to make the best of my money...

If your van runs at 14-14.2v, then neither the CTEK nor the Sterling will do you any good. If it were me, I would:

-- Upgrade and fuse my cables between the starter battery(s) and the camper battery(s) to 2/0 or a pair of 1/0. (I used the latter as I have two starter batteries.) This should be adequate for up to 250A of alternator, at least. If in doubt, go bigger. SIZE matters.

-- I installed a Magnum Smart Battery Combiner and a Blue Sea Solenoid because I wanted a high voltage cut out. Turns out not to be necessary. Doing it again, I would simply use a Blue Sea 7620.

-- Install the solar controller of your choice. I have a Blue Sky but others prefer Morning Star.

That's it. I routinely see charge rates of over 150A at idle and, with any sunlight at all, my 600Ah batteries are normally at 100% every night. My rig has not been plugged into shore power for weeks.

If you want four pages of detailed explanation of why you don't want a diode or alternator controller based system, read this: http://www.smartgauge.co.uk/technical1.html

 

IdaSHO

IDACAMPER
A good Powerstroke alt should be showing more than 14v at idle.


As for charging house batteries, I use a very simple 100AMP continuous duty relay. Extremely reliable, and cheap/easy to replace if it ever needs it.

Simple switch on the dash, and side by side voltage gauges to watch truck and house battery condition.
 
Bbasso, you got a pretty nice and decent model there. Since it is all solid state it is very unlikely that the isolator has problems.
Are all connectors proper wired?
Especially the "E" input. This one is responsible for the correct output voltage. It should be connected with the regulator of the alternator. In Ford applications there is a fuse inline installed between isolator and regulator! Check this! Maybe the regulator must be replaced?
I do use the same. Never failed.

Here is the Original Sure Power testing procedure:

1.
Remove all wires from the isolator.

2.Using a needle movement ohmmeter RX-1 scale or a digital ohmmeter
diode scale, hold the Red* probe on the terminal "A" and with the Black* probe touch terminal #1 and #2, and the "E" terminal for 3A
isolators (group 2), and the "R" terminal for (group 3) isolators.
A good isolator will show a current flow from "A" to #1, #2 and "R", and no current flow to "E".

3.
Next, hold the Black* probe on the "A" and with the Red* probe touch terminal #1 and #2 (terminal "E" and "R", if used). A good isolator will allow no current flow from "A" to #1, #2 or "R" and will show current flow from "E" to "A".

4. Hold one probe on the aluminum heat sink, being sure there is contact by scratching through the protective coating. Then touch

with the other probe, terminals "A", #1, #2 (the "E" terminal for 3A
isolators [group 2] , the "R" terminal for group 3 isolators). A good isolator will show no current flow.

5.
Colored terminal indicates "E" post on group 2 isolators and "R" terminal on most group 3 isolators.
*On some import ohmmeters, the red and black probes are reversed for these tests.
**If using a digital ohmmeter, a diode scale MUST be used


For more installation information use this link:http://www.cooperindustries.com/con...sources/instructions/BUS_CBT_INST_180012q.pdf


By the way- charge current of the C-tek is limited to 20A. That's a bit on the low side for your application.... And to be honest just throwing a diode isolator and a B2B charger into one housing is clever marketing. The problem is: if one of these built-in devices fails:
- charger
- isolator
- solar voltage controller
you have to replace the complete unit. That's not very "smart"...

Just some hints, seen from an electronical side. You should use some additional cable protection around the terminals to protect the cable against chafing. Mount the isolator in an upright position onto a metal to ensure proper heat transfer. the cooling fins are there for a reason.
Test the isolator and if it works keep it- it's not a cheap unit.
This isolator can handle 120 amps continously, which is a lot! If your alternators deliver more you should upgrade, bigger ones are available.
 
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