Just out of curiosity ??

[Allen Bosely]

I ask this out of curiosity only, can a 110 be converted into a 90?

I have read about changing/modifying a 90 into a 110. So wondered if it could be done the other way.

Would it require a new frame or cut the 110 frame down?

Allen

 

[Michael Slade]

It will require two things.

1. Time

2. Money

How you go about it is entirely up to you.

 

[Alaska Mike]

Here's my (US-centric) take:
The D-110 is worth more in the US than a similar D-90 from what I have seen. It's very likely that shortening a D-110 would make it worth less than a standard D-90. A lot of Land Rover owners are very particular about originality. You could easily sell a D-110 and use the profit to buy a D-90 in better shape (or more legal) and outfit or recondition the D-90 to your heart's content. We're talking a good chunk of change. The modification would not be cheap, and certain capabilities would be lost (storage, for one).

But that's just me.

 

[SinCityFJC]

Generally speaking NAS - No. American Spec D110s are double the price for comparable D90s

 

[I Leak Oil]

It will require two things.

1. Time

2. Money

How you go about it is entirely up to you.

Ditto!
Anything can be done with the above 2 ingredients. Not sure why one would do it though....
Jason T.

 

[gjackson]

It would be far easier to get a 90 frame, and rear body parts. Bulkhead forward should be the same. To change the frame you'd have to do several cuts because distance between axles is different and the overhang is different. I'd suggest either getting a 90 frame or making a custom wheelbase vehicle. There are quite a lot of 100 inchers out there made from an extended 90 frame. You could do a 100 inch with a 110 frame and get more cargo area. Departure angle would suffer. . .

All depends on what you want to do and how much time/money you want to spend. Any details on your plans?

cheers

 

[Yorker]

Anything is possible- build a 100" like the fabled Swiss army prototypes they are cooler. Get the "A 4x4 Is Born, presented by Mark Evans" DVD it is cool...


Or buy the one Dunsfold has for sale:

VERY rare 100" prototype coil sprung 4 door soft top made for the Swiss army in 1978.

Petrol 4 cylinder, 5 speed box.
For the serious collector. Meets US 25 year import rule.

Call the Dunsfold team for more information.

Private sale £9,000

http://www.dunsfold.com/Sales/Vehicles/for_sale.htm

 

[bigreen505]

Call me crazy, but wouldn't it be easier to find someone with 90 who is looking to upsize to a 110 and trade?

 

[Allen Bosely]

I'm not looking to do this. I had recently read a comment some where about converting a 90 to a 110, I have no idea of the amount of work that would even be.

But sitting here cruising thru some LR forums and looking for LR info on the web, I just wondered if that was a modification that was done.Sounds like it would not be a very practical conversion (time or $ wise).

For me I need a 5 door. This late fall or early winter my wife and I are going to the UK for a while, actually we will be going back and forth a bit and are going to look for an 83' 110 to bring back and rebuild.

We probably won't bring it back immediately but put it in storage as we will be gathering up components for the rebuild while over there. Things like a galvanized chassis, most likely a new bulkhead, Brownchurch Heavy Duty Roof Rack, a 300 Tdi and a R380 (probably have them rebuilt while in the UK) Mach 5 Wheels ect. Put it all in a container and send it over here and get to work!

I would like to do this with a SIII 109, but the difficulty of getting a replacement bulkhead if needed, well the odds are pretty good I would want (need) a new bulkhead. Plus from what I understand it's pretty difficult to put a 300 Tdi and R380 in a SIII and the transfer case is not as strong as the one in a 110(?). Well and I guess adding power steering and brakes would be an issue on a 109 as I understand.

The rest of it wouldn't make much of a difference as either one will get striped down and rebuilt. I really don't have a problem with leaf springs just going with parabolic springs would be fine to me, actually I think I would prefer them.

Allen

 

[Scott Brady]

I want a 130

I suppose that would be my dream "daily driver". Not my dream expedition rig (though it would perform admirably at that), but for all other tasks - perfect.

Major drool:

 

[kevb]

Hi Scott, I am coming to the conclusion that my 90 is my ideal choice as my daily driver and my 90 with an Adventure Trailer on the back would be my ideal choice for travel, a 110 is too clumsy for me never mind a 130. Although a 100" Defender TD5 Auto would be my dream build. (looking into this now)

Allen, sounds like an interesting project. All defenders are the same from the seats forward, given the same engine/gearbox model. In theory you could rebuild on a longer/ shorter chassis. 110s and 130(127 actually) have a different, Salsbury, rear axle but I believe they have been fitted to 90s, Devon 4x4 built a stunning 110 trayback competition vehicle with LR 90 axles for simplicity.

If you truly want a series then new galvanised bulkheads are available from Andrew Morris (Derby) 01283 734324, I would recommend Richards Chassis, Turner Engineering for your engine and Ashcroft for your transmission, although they don't do series gearboxes. the 200TDi is a fairly simple fit in a series and current opinion from various BBs seems to be that it is a better, more reliable engine than the 300.

kev

 

[Hltoppr]

Hmm...my friend Pal has a 130...I believe it was posted here as a ebay ad a while back...sale fell through...

You need is Scott...the SO needs something to drive, now that you'll have the ER...

:bowdown:

-H-

 

[Mercedesrover]

I would like to do this with a SIII 109, but the difficulty of getting a replacement bulkhead if needed, well the odds are pretty good I would want (need) a new bulkhead. Plus from what I understand it's pretty difficult to put a 300 Tdi and R380 in a SIII and the transfer case is not as strong as the one in a 110(?). Well and I guess adding power steering and brakes would be an issue on a 109 as I understand.

So use a Defender bulkhead on the Series III. They're almost identical and getting one to fit is much less work than rebuilding a rusty SIII bulkhead. Not sure if I was the first to do this, but certainly one of the first. Here's a page from my site showing some pictures: http://www.seriestrek.com/bulkhead.html

I wouldn't think the 300tdi is any more difficult to install in a Series truck than any other Rover diesel. And don't be afraid of the Series transfer cases either. They're pretty stout and few have been known to fail. 200tdi if you can find a good one or a 300tdi, R380 and a Series t-case in a leafer makes a pretty nice truck and won't break the bank.

jim

 

[Alaska Mike]

That's what I was thinking. Get a galvy 109 chassis, Defender bulkhead, and whatever parts you need over there, then bring it back and get a decent 109 in the states for a good price and go to town. Registration would be so much easier.

 

[Allen Bosely]

Ok all, your making me think more seriously about the SIII as a real possibility. So with some input from everyone, let me explore this option a bit further.

Kev, does Andrew Morris have either a web site or an E-mail? Yes the main reason for having the engine,tranny rebuilt in the UK is Ashcroft and Turner,
with Richards for the chassis.
Do you have any idea as to Andrews price for a galvanized bulkhead for a SIII? Does he do galvanized 110 bulkheads?

Jim, I have read that a 110 bulkhead can be modified to fit an SIII but I thought it was a big pain to do so. Can you tell me about using a 110 bulkhead?
Would it be simpler when using a 110 Bulkhead on a 109 to also use a 110 windshield frame, roof and doors? The doors and maybe the windshield frame will probably need replacing any way.

Power steering can be taken care of with a Toyota unit.

Can convert to disc brakes. But what about power assist for them?

Maybe this system to power both the steering and the brakes,http://www.vancopbs.com/category_s/66.htm

I want to use a 300 Tdi as it will be going to Africa eventually and parts are easier to come by, plus I don't think 200 Tdi heads are even avialible new any longer.

For the R380 would use the short bell housing.
Is it possible to keep the 109 front end when using the R380 & 300 Tdi if a new radiator is made? If we went for a 109 would want to keep the 109 frontend.

Ok, that leaves the transfer case. Is there a stronger TC that will fit with the above mods?

The drive line can be modified with HD parts a couple of different ways. So that wouldn't be an issue.

The alternative (simpler/easier) is to do basicly the above on a 110. But it would sure be neat to do this on a 109.

When I first got this crazy idea, I wanted to do the least mods and keep and the rebuild as simple as possable. The 110 would most likley be simpler. But at this point, since we are in this deep we may as well build what we want,
provided it is at least reasionabley doable.

Ok, thoughts?

Allen