Little Guy Modification

SameGuy

Observer
Has anyone ever modified a Little Guy teardrop for off road use. I know they make one and I know there are better purpose built off road teardrops out there but their prices are high and for a first foray into this I just can't justify a $15-20k outlay. I have seen a handful of Little Guy 5 wide units for around $5k. I haven't seen the suspension but I assume it wouldn't be that complicated to add a simple lift for a few more inches of ground clearance or maybe even a whole different axle. I don't do any rock crawling but there are some places we like to go that are just about at the limit of my stock 2000 4Runner. Thinking a 4 inch lift on a Little guy would probably be enough. Anyway, if anyone has some ideas or comments or info it would be greatly appreciated.

thanks
 

Septu

Explorer
You could probably do it. I'd have concerns over the long term durability of it though. Dragging it down trails, even just FSRs and whatnot could make it fall apart a lot faster than it normally would if it just stayed on the highways. There's more that goes into the 'off road' ones than just a bigger suspension.

That said... if you can get a good deal on one... and have the ability to make the changes it'll need to follow you... I'd go for it.
 

silvrzuki77

explorer
I agree with septu, If you can find one super cheap maybe.... I am building my own TD right now and it is amazing how fast the price adds up.
 

Aspen Trails Trailers

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My guess is that it would work. I have never looked at their frames, or how it is designed to take the twists and turns of serious off roading. I have seen them at Cruise Moab, but never off road, only in the parking lot. Many manufacturers claim their units are off road capable. I am a huge fan of Chalet trailers. They make what the call the Trail Boss in the LTW. Their smallest trailer. It does have a box tubing main frame, larger tires and standard hitch. As much as I like Chalet, I would never consider the trailer an off road ready unit.

Park roads, some fire trails it could handle, but over the long term, it would fall apart. Most trailers that have been on the road for many years rarely end up with over 10k on them, exceptions for sure. Dragging a trailer over tough terrain twists the unit that was basically designed to set on paved parking lots. When talking off road, you need to say what is off road. Remember when you drag it in, you have to drag it out. Breaking on the trail with a trailer, adds a whole different dimension to being in trouble. Most will not have the tools or the parts to help you fix it. Leaving a 5K investment on a trail, with no real way to get it back is not good either. I heard a guy broke a trailer on the Kokopelie and the first estimate to get it out was a little over 2k.

Just be careful with it what ever you do.

Bob
 

The Swiss

Expedition Leader
I'd suggest you contact our forum member Hilldweller; he has a modified Little Guy he has been using for about 2 years now.
 

Septu

Explorer
If I remember correctly, he ended up selling his 2 dr JK (07-11) because the auto couldn't handle the trailer. At least I'm pretty sure that was part of the issue.
 

jim65wagon

Well-known member
If I remember correctly, he ended up selling his 2 dr JK (07-11) because the auto couldn't handle the trailer. At least I'm pretty sure that was part of the issue.

Yeah but his is a 6 wide and has quite a lot of extras (ie, its heavy) on it most Little Guy trailers don't come with. Don't hesitate to ask Bill about his trailer. The Silver Shadow (a Little Guy trailer) we rented a few years ago had a box tube frame and felt sturdy enough. Certainly good enough for some rough forest roads......certainly nothing Rubicon style, but I've seen a few forest roads that made me question my sensibilities....
 

Hilldweller

SE Expedition Society
My trailer is a 6x10 Silver Shadow with a Rough Rider package thrown in. More frame crossbracing and a full steel skid welded over it with gussets.
It doesn't flex AT ALL on anything.
The axle is also a 3500 pound torsion unit ----- get rid of that, weld on some crossbraces or skids to stiffen the frame, and I think you're good.
Just be careful of the model years. Before LG turned over and was re-born in Ohio, the units coming out of Indiana tended to rot and fall apart.
 

SameGuy

Observer
My trailer is a 6x10 Silver Shadow with a Rough Rider package thrown in. More frame crossbracing and a full steel skid welded over it with gussets.
It doesn't flex AT ALL on anything.
The axle is also a 3500 pound torsion unit ----- get rid of that, weld on some crossbraces or skids to stiffen the frame, and I think you're good.
Just be careful of the model years. Before LG turned over and was re-born in Ohio, the units coming out of Indiana tended to rot and fall apart.

Do you know what year LG moved to Ohio?
 

Hilldweller

SE Expedition Society
Do you know what year LG moved to Ohio?
You could probably find out from Chris at LG or on TDTT.
I knew at one time but that's long gone from the dusty confines of my memory...

My trailer is really really solid, btw. The joints are done well.

Look for rot around all of the joints and especially up-front and low. From what I've read the water gets in, wicks, and it turns into a rot-fest that's pretty easy to spot and smell.

I get condensation in cold weather but it's never leaked a drop.

And it was too heavy for the 3.8L JK with the autotrans. The PW likes it much more.
With its size, 2 batteries, fridge, food, water, memory foam mattress, supplies ---- it's well north of 2500 pounds... ...some trips maybe closer to 3000.

 

4x4x4doors

Explorer
I've got a 2005 (made in Indiana) 4 wide deluxe, the street model. It is a purpose-built trailer and that purpose is light weight on road.

It has some weak spots. The trailer is so light, the suspension doesn't really move. To get rid of some of the bounce, I aired down to 6 psi on the Desert Run. The sidewalls then absorbed it all.

The rot issue mentioned has happened to some of these. It hasn't happened to mine at all. Maintenance makes a difference. From what I have read, the issue is a sealing seam line where the front diamond plate meets the body. Mine is caulked/sealed and came that way. The other potential spot is the original style taillights (flat ovals in a curved surface). That joint needs to be sealed as well. In the 7+ years I've owned mine, I replaced the roof vent (original plastic oxidized and became brittle) and the tires after 5 years because it sat in the weather and they dry-rotted. Other than those two things, no rot, no leaks. After I replaced those things, I started throwing a cover over it. The factory-installed vinyl graphics are beginning to go.

Design-wise, the rear shelf is made of particle board and the supports are screwed into the particle board. It finally let loose after being bounced all over before I got the air pressure right. I'll redo the shelf with real lumber. The side doors frame is L-shaped when viewed in cross-section. Driving 70 mph in a 40 mph wind-driven rain, some water made it up/wicked the L to cloth packed against the door and the clothing/bedding was wet when I stopped. I'll fashion something to make sure I don't pile stuff against the doors.

With 215/75x15 tires, it already has more ground clearance than my stock Colorado. No need for modifications there. Frame is 2x2 square tubing. I lash a bungee around the handle on the wheel jack to keep it from hanging low in the stowed position. The one time we made ground contact with something other than the tires, it was the truck, not the trailer that scraped.

For the desert run, I would look at door and hatch gaskets. I picked up a lot of dust.

They are stupidly simple, think hard-sided tent. Make sure any mods you make are firmly attached.

I bought mine at bargain price in 2005 and wouldn't sell it for what I paid even now.

It has a dry weight of 660 pounds and a 2000 pound axle (too stiff). Behind an SUV or pickup with shell, it seems to cost about 1-1.5 mpg to tow with wind resistance being the biggest issue. (When I had it behind the pickup with no shell, mileage suffered a little more.)
 
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NetDep

Adventurer
New Little Guy owner here - with some pics attached. It is a 6X10 RoughRider/SilverShadown hybrid. I liked the interior (birch) look of the SilverShadow but wanted the capability of the RoughRider. Have had it out a few times but at the shop now getting an ARB awning on the factory installed roof rack, getting the matching Toyota wheels powder coated to match the truck and a couple of odds and ends. Although I have not it on any extreme trails - she has been on some dirt roads....I really love this little trailer and have several more trips planned this year and planning next year already!!!! The pic attached does not show the Toyota wheels/tires but since then they were installed and work well - the fenders are being redone since there is a negative offset with the Toyota tires -- it was important to me to match the tires/wheels to the tow vehicle. As can be seen - the trailer is color matched to the truch - pretty beefy skidplate - overall - I am glad I went this route!!
 

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Hilldweller

SE Expedition Society
Nice trailer, NetDep.
Reminds me of something......

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NetDep

Adventurer
Hilldweller -- AWESOMENESS!!! Mine is at the shop right now waiting on her ARB awning!!! Your awning looks great!! I have an REI Alcove (seen in the picture above) that I use to supplement. Camping in the snow - it CAN be done!! I so want to do this -- is than an oven?? Is that your license plate on the back galley door?? Did you do it or did they?? So many questions -- wonder if you feel like Yoda right now????? ;-)
 

Hilldweller

SE Expedition Society
I started with a sink and had them remove it; took up too much room where it was and the water fill kept getting fouled with mud and dust. I'd rather use jugs...

I supplied them with my own set of two Optima Bluetops (D31M) and had them install them on the tongue in the toolbox after moving them around a bit. The big blue thing is an ARB fridge on a slide they built.

I just removed the big honkin' light in the galley the other day and put in a little more surface conduit an a couple of VERY LOW amperage LED lights. The aircraft landing light they supplied was only good at lighting up an area or blinding me.

They moved the license plate to the rear hatch after I bent the crap out of it a few times. Mine was the first hybrid RR/SS and they didn't understand departure angles yet.
The landing gear in back also didn't reach the ground at first and had to be replaced. And the charger; twice. And the jockey wheel.

I still don't really like the landing gear and am looking for ideas. The turn signals are also a puzzle; I've bent and bashed them a few times and one is cracked now. They built me a littl cage for them but it's not a real answer.

Scott Hubble at the factory really tries hard and follows through with things.

It's been a great trailer to live out of so far. Dry, comfortable, convenient.

And yeah; that's a Dutch oven. It was dang cold that day ---- was only supposed to be a chance of light flurries and it dumped on us. So I made breadsticks and we pigged out on them (and beer) all day.
 

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