Looking for a definitive answer - will 18" rims fit on an '09 G55 AMG?

Bullsnake

Adventurer
Good evening all! Looking for some expertise here again amongst the experienced. After a LONG run of Land Rovers and Land Cruisers a G is finally in my future. I just finished building up an LR4, and once it was all done the wife latched onto it and I haven't driven it since! I have always, always, ALWAYS wanted to build up a G, and I now have the chance to pick up a nice, CLEAN low miles '09 G55 AMG. I don't want to run into the same situation I did with the LR4 and be stuck running 20" rims and BFG AT KO's or something similar - I would REALLY like to run 18" rims, but just wanted to check and see what the general thought is on this and it's feasibility. I know the G550 is a "better" platform to start with, but this truck has sort of fallen in my lap and with what I have in it I could easily do ORC springs, new shocks, bumpers, sliders, etc. and de - bling it along the way. Those of you who have gone before me please chime in - is it feasible? Will 18's fit? If not what are some good options?

Thanks in advance for any advice - I am incredibly excited to start this project!
 

krnnerdboy

Adventurer
Looks like g55 brakes were unchanged from 05-11 1/2. 18's should have no problems

Worst case scenario, swap out the brakes with someone who will pay cash on top...
 

krnnerdboy

Adventurer
And careful about the g55 and your wife. I got my g500 as a utility truck for work but the wife has latched and taken it since...she didn't care for my lr4 or x5.
 

Bullsnake

Adventurer
Good afternoon! Thanks for the responses, and sorry about the delay in getting back online - Work has kept me busy! That is GREAT news that the 18" rims will fit the G - I know a G55 setup for overlanding is kinda like hunting ducks with scud missles, but the price I was able to get it for was actually less than the price of a comparable G550 with more miles. This one has remaining extended factory warranty to boot, so it should be a fantastic rig when all is said and done.

Thanks again!
 

Jwestpro

Explorer
I don't want to run into the same situation I did with the LR4 and be stuck running 20" rims and BFG AT KO's or something similar - I would REALLY like to run 18" rims, but just wanted to check and see what the general thought is on this and it's feasibility.

A. The lr4 allowed 19's from the factory.
B. 18" were easily available from europe for people "building up" an lr4.
C. on any of these, smaller brake rotors could be installed to allow factory 18". For example, lr4 could just have lr3 front rotors, which are fantastically good braking as I have found in emergency stops. Same goes for G.

I have not found out for sure if the 18"x9" amg wheels fit the newest 2013 G63, but they might seeing as the brakes did not increase significantly. Worst case there is to use up to 2011 G55 front rotors. Just keep in mind, the G 18" wheels for the 550 are 8" wide and the amg wheels are 9" wide. Both are great but each is better for different tire widths. Ideally I'd have the 8" for winter spec tire and the 9" for rest of the year, something like a 305/65 or 285/65 285/70. For the 8" wide I would not want anything wider than like a 275/65 but 275/70 would be even better. The "square-er" the tire to the wheel, the safer and better overall handling dynamics you get.

Post photos of the LR4!! - or a link to the thread if you made one. I may be in a similar path soon but I have done a lot of research. For example, if you want a factory provided rear cargo door release handle from the inside, it only came here up through the 2010 model year. Isn't that nutty, no simple door pull on 2011+. Also, I am sure you are aware that 2009-2012 G (both versions), did not come to the US with a factory hitch mount. Your only option is to purchase parts (very easily from various sources) but then have the missing mount plate welded on to the frame cross member behind the bumper. FYI.

As for 2009 G55k vs 2010. Be aware they are almost same price depending on when and where in the market. So, the differences are few but one is significant for the picky ergonomics person ;) the front seats are completely different. 2009 is first year in US with ventilation, however it is through an older style seat structure altogether. The 2010+ got more or less the "S class" seat and still has it today. Too bad no "massage" function and the goofy, almost useless air shaping controls but anyway, better than nothing I suppose. The ventilation is nice for long drives nonetheless.

2009 is first year AMG versions got the black fake suede headliner. 2010 the seat controls housing modernized a step to be consistent with other offerings 10 years old ;) After 2010, the cool little chrome lamp and signal guards dropped off. I know they are mostly unnecessary however they are cool, especially the front hood signals ;)

Interestingly, the most confusing aspect of subtle changes each year is the suspension/ride feeling. It seems to get tweaked, rethought, and not always for the better, depending on your idea of "better". I will say a current G550 (2013) feels rather supple for a G. The 08 G55 is really harsh. These are minor issues for the serious "building out" person seeing as they can be easily swapped with whatever you like that fits. For example, a new G63 could just get swapped in new G550 springs and dampers to achieve the same ride feel and ad back a little height.

Why do you want a 09 G55 though? The 09+ G550 engine is WAY beyond the feel of the previous G500. It's not that the 500 wasn't "enough" by any means but the 382 hp newer v8 is almost amg like pull without all the fuss of the induction and associated costs.

Only you know your purpose and such, but to me there are a few "sweet spots" in the G line over the years. With no regard to which is "better", here are my ideas of the sweet spots based on price per package:
2005 G55k, first year for Supercharged engine, robust braking power, growly sound ;)
2008 G55k, LAST year of factory tow hitch built on and not requiring welding, until re-done for 2013. 2008 is first year for updated dash (2008-2012), reverse camera (though easily retrofitted to earlier years along with other things like heated windshield)
2010 G55k or G550 Better seats, lower price than later years for identical vehicle.
2012 G550 - only if you want one with the factory built AMG - look package. Many came built with the wide fender flares, black alcantara/suede headliner, and other leather options.
2013 G550 used market.

There is a large gap in price 2008-2009 but 09/10 are very close. 2005 are finally in what I call the "depreciation plateau" where they now don't drop a whole lot year to year. 2009+ though drop each year by $5-10k when the newest model comes out. Gaps in AMG versions upset this a little like not having a 2012 G AMG.

Oops, it appears you already have the 09 ;) Anyway, the above is good food for though for others coming across the thread with similar questions/plans.

Speaking of "de-blingin-ing" ;) I'm all for it. However, we must have open minds. I never ever thought I'd think chrome looks good, let along ok, or acceptable. There is a Florida guy who tows a rock crawling Moab sort of toy with an older G. It's silver, and he's lifted the heck out if it, but gone with chrome stuff on any racks and ladder parts. Looks really nice actually tying in all the chrome to a silver base vehicle (I don't think this plan would look so hot on other colors though) He's posted on here somewhere....
 

Bullsnake

Adventurer
Thanks for the lengthly response JWestpro - definitely a LOT of food for thought! I ended up with the '09 as it basically "fell" into my lap and I was able to get into it for less than what I would have had in a comparable 550. I know it's overkill for the kind of driving I do, but the truck is already under the knife and is being prepped for a life COMPLETELY different from what it has led up to this point. I have been talking with Thor over at Viking off road, and have already modded the G55 exhaust, installed sliders, HD steps (would have completely gone without steps but I have small children so concessions must be made!) skid plates, ridded off the rear tire cover and installed a 30mm spring spacer lift (Will go to full shocks and springs once I figure out what the best combo here is - there is a LOT of differing opinions on this!) 18" rims off of an '05 500, BFG KM2's, and it is being "de-blinged" as we speak (powder coating or removing all chrome including the front faux brush guard. looking at my front bumper / winch options right now as there is some working around to do with the transmission cooler, etc.)

Overall I think I will be happy with the truck - I never thought I would complain about it, but other than the fact that it has "too much" power it seems like it will be a good rig! I have a feeling that it will be a long termer in the fleet, so as such I would like to be sure and not just outfit it for off road, but outfit it the best I can. The suspension is the big thing for me - 30-40mm of lift on this truck will be PLENTY for me and my intended use of the truck, but I am always a fan of doing it with proper springs, shocks, limit straps, etc. I think that is what bugs me the most about my LR4 right now - the old LR3 that we had was great with the 18" rims and Kevlars, but without modifying the brakes, running off brand 18", etc. the only option was to go up to the 20's and deal with rubbing, and lots of it with the AT KO's. The truck LOOKS great, but from a functionality standpoint it is less than stellar. I know, I know, you can dig into it, relocate the rear HVAC lines, trim a little here and there, etc., but as this truck is mainly used to get the wife and kids out and around and bikes to the trail head I haven't been too excited to dig into a truck with less than 1500 miles on it currently. Maybe next winter when things start to slow down I'll get it up on the lift and start tinkering again, but at this point it works well enough for what we do.

The G should be back from paint hopefully by this weekend, or the first part of the week at the latest - I will be sure to post up pictures of it next to the LR4 and see what the general consensus is. I am excited to put some miles on it and see how it compares to the 110, H1's, Discos, etc. that I have owned in the past. I have a feeling that it is going to be a good balance between everyday comfort and off road ability - at this stage in my life my days off of the trail, hard core, make it or break it off roading are a thing of the past, and my journeys are more about showing my kids just how neat the US is and how much there is to see out there in the world. It's for taking me to the trail head, the lifts of Colorado, downhill mountain biking with my oldest son, and off to explore trails or old abandoned buildings with my youngest daughter. for all of this and the occasional trip around the farm to show clients cattle or foreign visitors our farm I think this is going to be a great rig!

Thanks again everyone!
 

Jwestpro

Explorer
I'll be interested to hear how you feel driving one and then the other. There are certainly pros and cons between them depending on your uses and needs and simple personal preferences.

I recently read the G55 brakes are 13.8" and so are the very latest 2013 G63. EDIT: new 2013 G63 front rotors are in fact 14.8" as confirmed in MB literature as well as seeing them in person and the remaining gap in the 20" wheel clearly would not allow for 2" wheel reduction. So there with 2013 the G class fully enters the world of non-off road function.

I realize you may have already bought the 18" wheels from the 500, however, you might really appreciate the 9" wide AMG 18" wheel found on all the G55 up through 2008. The G500 18" is only 8" wide at best.
 
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swb

Observer
He's got a point thought. This is a site for expeditions and expedition vehicles, not "utility truck for work" or take carry the shopping in, or even to just drive on the same patches of dirt that any sedan can handle. There are plenty of other forums (like BenzWorld) to cater for non-expedition uses.
 

Jwestpro

Explorer
actually, the OP's build is that of mild "expedition" level and thus his post perfectly relevant. l would think that generous sharing of information can only lead to a better community in general rather than telling someone to "piss off" just because their idea of worthwhile vehicle use does not match that of your definition for "expedition".
 

swb

Observer
So "generous sharing of information" does not include suggesting he look at a forum, like Benzworld, where he will find A LOT more information on 18" wheels on later model G's?

And yes, my definition of "expedition" vehicle includes those that can run effective offroad-sized tyres, easily obtainable anywhere in the world, you know, during an "expedition"

EDIT: Benzworld = http://www.benzworld.org/forums/g-class/
 
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Bullsnake

Adventurer
Actually, the G Wagon, being a military based vehicle is very well suited for overlanding and the overlanding lifestyle. If you do not agree, please take the time to read "Overland, a Mercedes Benz Journey Through the Americas". Granted, the G55 is definitely on the "overkill" side of the fence in terms of power, but after a run of anemic Defenders, an H1 Alpha wagon that the family travelled cross country in to go explore Moab in, a heavily modified '78 FJ40, etc. I have come to the decision that the G is perfect for what I use the vehicle for, and the amount of time that I am allowed to get out and enjoy the back country. I have a wife, three kids, and prefer the comforts of the G over my old 110, I get what I feel - for me at least, is the same off road performance as the 110 with much, MUCH better performance on road which is where the vehicle spends the majority of it's time getting us from central Iowa to Colorado, Utah, the East and West Coast, and points in between.
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As you can see the 18" wheels fit with absolutely no problem, and I have had no issues with rubbing, even at complete lock. Thor at Viking set me up with a great set of sliders and steps (yes, I know you "hard core" off roaders will poo poo the steps, but they bolt directly onto the sliders, are very stout, and, well, if you have three kids, two of which are under the age of 6 steps are a necessity.) Thor has also sent out the roof rack and rear ladder, but I haven't had time to put them on yet - we did camp out of it over the Memorial Day weekend and it worked great!

As for the comment about perusing Benz World - I apologize, but with three different companies to keep going and a family that means the world to me I choose to utilize my time as best I can actually getting out and DOING what I love to do. I have been a member here for several years, and have always been incredibly blessed to be able to draw from such a large pool of knowledge to help me out with problems or questions that I have had, and I try to reciprocate when I can. Expedition Portal is pretty much the ONLY site that I can, or do take time to check in on, and I think it is a fantastic gathering point for like minded individuals in regards to getting out and seeing what the world has to offer.

I am not a hard core rock crawler, nor am I a "web wheeler" trying to farkle out my truck for an "expedition" to the mall. Anyone that has wheeled or traveled with me will attest to the fact that I do use my vehicles for their intended use, and I enjoy the places I can go with the right rig and the right equipment. I am sorry if I have offended any of you with my inquiry, and will now retire to my lurking status and let those of you that feel that my question was absurd show me how a real overlanding individual should do it.:elkgrin:
 

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