Looking for my next rig.

bigmack

Observer
I am in the mood of getting another rig for exploring and outlanding and want some suggestions. My budget is $7k for the car(would be preferred with at least a mod or two).

I really liked the concept of the Isuzu Vehicross, but I am not to keen on the looks and felt the front is a bit cramped for me as I am a ~6ft 2in. Is there anything that is sporty yet capable like the Vehicross? I am told it suppose to be rally car like when it comes to handling, while still being able to off-road trails in Moab(which I may or may not do, who knows) once you put the right tires on them of course. Suggestions on what to look at?

How is the first gen Rav4? If say went with one and did a SAS, could that option work? Or is there other options?

Thankies.
 
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Warn Industries

Supporting Vendor
The RAV4 has a fully independant suspension, too, so any axle swapping might be more work than it's worth. However, I've always been a fan of the RAV4 and the Honda CR-V. Both are "cute utes," but so long as you're not doing anything that requires scads of ground clearance or low range, they're good little rigs. Ditto that with the Subaru Foresters.

Have you considered a Suzuki Sidekick/Vitara or Geo/Chevrolet Tracker? They have IFS but a solid rear axle. Headroom shouldn't be an issue. The four-doors have more room than the two-door models. Gas mileage is in the mid 20s with the four-banger. True 4WD system, and fairly inexpensive.

- Andy
 

bigmack

Observer
Well I tried the Amigo, but handling wasn't as sporty as the VX. I would like a bit more sporting handling along with an suv that is acceptably capable. And the VX is perfect, but again it's the size that is not. I started looking at the Rav4 because I have been in a few first gen models and the on-road handling was to my liking, and have also seen stuff about it doing the Dakar rally and the likes. So I dunno, I got the idea maybe it could be an option? I know there was a guy over at pirate trying to do a setup like that with is 2dr up in Canada, but I don't know if he ever finished it.

The CR-V on the other hand apparently has a solid rear axle(thought it is fwd based car) in the first gen. It seems like it could be a better option than the Rav4, but again not sure how sporty it would be compared to the Vehicross. But this entices me less than the Rav4 and VX.

Does the Tracker or Sidekick offer sporty handling(or at leas sportier vs the competition)? They look like nice rids, and the off-road capabilities are there, but not sure if they are sporty enough like the VX. Thanks.
 
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Warn Industries

Supporting Vendor
Well I tried the Amigo, but handling wasn't as sporty as the VX. I would like a bit more sporting handling along with an suv that is acceptably capable. And the VX is perfect, but again it's the size that is not. I started looking at the Rav4 because I have been in a few first gen models and the on-road handling was to my liking, and have also seen stuff about it doing the Dakar rally and the likes. So I dunno, I got the idea maybe it could be an option? I know there was a guy over at pirate trying to do a setup like that with is 2dr up in Canada, but I don't know if he ever finished it.

The CR-V on the other hand apparently has a solid rear axle(thought it is fwd based car) in the first gen. It seems like it could be a better option than the Rav4, but again not sure how sporty it would be compared to the Vehicross. But this entices me less than the Rav4 and VX.

Does the Tracker or Sidekick offer sporty handling(or at leas sportier vs the competition)? They look like nice rids, and the off-road capabilities are there, but not sure if they are sporty enough like the VX. Thanks.

Again, the CR-V is a fully independent suspension, like the RAV4 (it's actually based on the Civic). You'll be hard pressed to find many vehicle with solid axles that handle sporty on the pavement.

I would not classify the Sidekick/Vitara/Tracker as having sporty on-road handling.

- Andy
 

bigmack

Observer
Dang. So then I guess I have to wait until I can afford something like the Porsche Cayenne(non-GTS) or maybe even Touareg as they seem to be a lager spiritual successors to the VX. :(
 

bigmack

Observer
Well I am not sure if I would be doing huge rocks(but pebble size ones, yes), and mud I would like to do as much as I can, and I am sure a snorkel would help out a bit there too, no?
 

Storz

Explorer
For 7k I would take a long hard look at the Montero Limited, you can get a pretty nice example for that money.

Mitsubishi-Montero_2004_800x600_wallpaper_01.jpg
 

Mrknowitall

Adventurer
For 7 grand you could get
--an XJ or WJ and have money left over for very good suspension bits.
--a gen 3 4Runner.
--a Montero sport- in the right combination, they came with the bigger motor.
--Gen2 Pathfinder with the VQ35
 

Jay H

servicedriven.org
IMHO The 1st gen RAV has a lot of pluses over the CRV and even the Forester. You can get a 2 door if you want sporty. It shares a lot of the drive train with the celica. You can get it with a locking or viscous center diff. There is a torsen rear diff available that was an option and is also shared with the celica. It can be made into a monster performer as there are a couple engine swaps, a turbo 3SGTE engine will go in as will a camry V6. Also the thing will clear some surprisingly meaty tires bone stock like a 215 75 16 or a 235 70 16. The stock size is 215 70 16. There is an ARB old man EMU lift available. It has a full size spare. OH and it will turn decent mileage. Dont expect 30+ or any thing though. The first generation 4.1 in stock form is a little under powered the second generation 4.2 gets a 2.4L 2az-fe with all the modern technology and has adequate power with out being bloated like the current generation. Of course the second generation are expensive.
 

bigmack

Observer
While the Gen2 pathfinder may have a better motor option the gen1 is a better platform as it is body on frame, with a stronger rear axle. I am not too fond of the Montero Sport, but do like the older 2dr Montero.

How easy would it cost to put lockers on a rav4? Would the newer Camary 4cylinder fit? Any links to making the rav4 a better off-roader like you are describing? Thanks.
 

Jay H

servicedriven.org
While the Gen2 pathfinder may have a better motor option the gen1 is a better platform as it is body on frame, with a stronger rear axle. I am not too fond of the Montero Sport, but do like the older 2dr Montero.

How easy would it cost to put lockers on a rav4? Would the newer Camary 4cylinder fit? Any links to making the rav4 a better off-roader like you are describing? Thanks.

off-road.com did a whole series on the 4.1 Rav4. Just google it to find each part of the series. They did a good job with it and show its full potential as well as limits.
www.rav4world.com has a forum with a lot of information and if you use google to search it you can actually find things.


I have never heard of any one putting a true locker in a RAV4. The first gens came either with a viscous coupling center diff or an electronic locker straight from the factory. As for the rear differential a torsen torque sensing limited slip could be had as a factory option or pulled from an all trac. The differential is a common part with the all trac celica. The front differential is open and I know of no LSD or locking option.

If you want a Camary 4 cylinder just get a 4.2 generation RAV4. The 4.2 has the option of a 2.4 Liter 2AZ-Fe which is used in camrys, rav4s and scions. The best toyota engines and the ones that have a trd super charger option since they are built tougher. The 2az has that option. Some of the scion TC tuners run turbo(s) and a ton of boost on the 2AZ-FE and report great reliability up to 250hp, so its a tough engine. With a second generation (4.2) a 2004 or 2005 is the one to get as these have no transmission / ecu problems and offer a ton of standard equipment like disc brakes and a lot of air bags and safety stuff. The 4.2 second generation only comes with a viscous center diff and the torsen unit for the rear is a hard to find option. The second generation is a true full time all wheel drive with a 50/50 torque split making it a lot of fun to drive.

I would not worry about lockers or traction in a RAV4 its practically never the limiting factor. I have climbed some crazy steep pitches and generally the torque converter on my auto transmission stalls out before there is any wheel spin. Its also great in deep snow and loose sand. Gearing and ground clearance are limiting and only some what.

If swapping an engine into a 4.1 the only confirmed swaps are the 3SGT and 3SGTE and the 3VZ-Fe. The 3SGTE should be relatively straight forward. Woodsport does V6 conversions for the 4.1.

The first thing to do for off roading a RAV4 is an auxiliary transmission cooler if is an automatic. Then go for the arb old man emu kit and bigger tires. I have heard of tires all the way up to 235 75 16 fitting with minor rub.
I have the ARB old man emu springs on the back of my RAV and they have made a huge difference I will eventually spend the money on the front springs and struts/shocks.

In the world markets the same D-CAT diesel that goes in the hilux is available in a RAV4 which has got to be insane. More horse power, way more torque and better mileage and a 6speed standard transmission. I do have some diesel envy.
 
For 7k I would take a long hard look at the Montero Limited, you can get a pretty nice example for that money.

Mitsubishi-Montero_2004_800x600_wallpaper_01.jpg

The Gen III Montero is the true rally SUV. All these others are just posers. Back when they used to race stock SUV's in in the Dakar Rally, the Gen III dominated. The Gen III Montero will take corners on and offroad at speeds that other SUV's only dream of. While it's not the best rock crawler, it is still very capable of doing 90% of the trails in Moab. I would look really hard at the Montero. Did I mention that they are great for tall people.
 

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