My Ghetto Camper! FWC-NCO on M116

xxfullsailxx

Observer
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(disclaimer: i use the term "ghetto" in the most affectionate manner possible...no offense is meant...it's just what i've called our rig from the get-go.)

hey ya'll-

this website is so awesome! ya'll got some sweet rigs, ideas and motivations...it definitely helps me to convince my wife that i'm not insane,
that we're not the only ones with camper's and trailer's in the drive-way and that projects and motivations come and go.
thanks for sharing, thought i would do the same...so here't goes:

i convinced my lovely wife last year that we should buy a camper for multiple reasons:

-my work required me to live at a remote duty station during the summer...i could pay bunkhouse rent or buy a cheap camper for the same amount.
-we could put a truck bed camper into the back of our utility trailer and still have the trailer for "utility" usage.
-the possibility of winter camping...or at least extended shoulder seasons.

i found a decent deal on a mid-80's Four Wheel Camper (non-cabover) which would work well for us...she was very resistant...defiant even...
but i persevered through her negativism, and brought it home.

it took me a while to "ghetto-fy" our little utility trailer because of the unique dimensions of the old-school FWC frame. we use the trailer for dump runs, yard materials, hauling, etc...so i didn't want to lose that ability. i ended up lowering the sides and cutting the rear section to clear camper's rear end. i was able to remove the rear gate hinge-pins for removal as well...i didn't want to lose the sides of the trailer completely so i built a 4' X 8' X 8" box for the camper to sit up on in the trailer. here's a picture of the end product:

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my poor little trailer was a little overburdened with the FWC on it's back...
but it went down the road and up the hill to my summer living quarters:

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that fall, my wife and i decided to take up elk hunting for the first time...
we weren't successful during our first colorado hunting season but the camper was a big hit with both my wife and dog:
(especially when the friends we went hunting with were waking up in a cold-*** tent every morning and we were in the heated camper making coffee at 4am)

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the dog:

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my better half looking for which way the elk tracks went:

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i made a few modifications to the interior of the camper: new wiring & gas lines, removed the water tank & pump in favor of extra cabinet space. will post pictures of those on another post...since hunting season, the camper has sat in our drive-way...i spend the moments before sleep most evenings pondering it's future:

-a roof that sheds snow.
-hinged, hard-sides that are insulated to replace the worn canvas.
-a 2' cab-over for extra storage & single bed space.
-removal of the original fridge in favor of an updated cooler.
-re-modeled interior with possible side door & front dinette.

during these pondering's, i also schemed up various options for my camper's ride...a new trailer was needed, but my options were limited:

-a completely new custom trailer build (expensive and time intensive...plus i would need to buy a welder as opposed to borrowing one)
-an early model full-size truck-bed trailer (i've looked and looked...hard to come by in decent shape...i wanted a chevy with 6-lug axle/wheels)
-a military M101A2/3 or something akin (heavy, but well built, mostly together & only "minor" mods to make work)

which brings me to today...and my new-to-me M116 (i think?):

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i think i got a good deal on it. driving it home, i received a quick, hard lesson on mechanical surge brakes. those have got to go before i pull it around again.

for the camper to fit, the wheel wells need to be widened to 48". After measuring the rear of the camper, it should fit well front to back, without modification. my plan is to build removable stake-sides for the trailer and figure out a quick mount/dismount for the camper. (i used chain & turn buckles for the previous camper/trailer, i may do the same here). additional modifications will include:

-an adjustable channel coupler, as seen on some of the other M101 builds.
-axle mods for electric brakes and 6 on 5 1/2 wheel lugs.
-corner stabilizer's to aid in camper leveling.
-tongue box for extra storage
-new electrical

if you've made it this far, thanks for reading! i will certainly appreciate any suggestions and/or comments. as with most people, we have no shortage of projects and time-sucks...so this will certainly not all happen in short-order. however, i do need to get the "new" trailer put together enough to be utilized and the old trailer put back together enough to sell. i will certainly do my best to update this thread as the build and usage proceed. and thanks again for sharing your motivations, visions and projects! :D

-darin
 
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Ford Prefect

Expedition Leader
It looks like a pretty good start really.

Now if you are talking about extending the fwc, and then putting in a side door, it really might be much better for you to just build up a wood frame, put in some used RV windows, and fiberglass the entire thing. It could be just the way you want it without much difference in comfort, better accessibility, and it would be what you want from the off. Plus you can sell the FWC to someone to make the cash to buy the glass and wood.

Pretty sure there is a "RE-STORE" (habitat for humanity) where you could buy cabinets, and other things.

Did you get that trailer over at Jax? They always had some good surplus stuff out there. (oh and I looked at an apartment right behind your house when I went to CSU, nice area.)

Hey build it, fix it, your call, just do what you want and enjoy it. Personally I like the idea of taking a bit longer and getting what you want the first time. My wife is all about compromise and getting what will do and having it asap. We have a pop up tent trailer rather than an expedition truck as a result... ah well...

Brian
 

xxfullsailxx

Observer
It looks like a pretty good start really.

Now if you are talking about extending the fwc, and then putting in a side door, it really might be much better for you to just build up a wood frame, put in some used RV windows, and fiberglass the entire thing. It could be just the way you want it without much difference in comfort, better accessibility, and it would be what you want from the off. Plus you can sell the FWC to someone to make the cash to buy the glass and wood.

Pretty sure there is a "RE-STORE" (habitat for humanity) where you could buy cabinets, and other things.

Did you get that trailer over at Jax? They always had some good surplus stuff out there. (oh and I looked at an apartment right behind your house when I went to CSU, nice area.)

Hey build it, fix it, your call, just do what you want and enjoy it. Personally I like the idea of taking a bit longer and getting what you want the first time. My wife is all about compromise and getting what will do and having it asap. We have a pop up tent trailer rather than an expedition truck as a result... ah well...

Brian

we like this area of FTC too...good access to CSU, trails, etc...although it looks like a move for jobs may be in our near future.

i bought the trailer from a kid in windsor...apparently he shops gov. liquidations (Ft. Carson) for deals and sells them privately...pretty funny kid with ambition. this one he apparently bought for the generator which turned out not to "generate" anything...so he was selling the trailer separate. he was talking about bobbing a deuce and a half next...

i think the FWC is going to work for the base...at least for this project. it has just enough room for us (married-no children YET). still working out a priority list of improvements for it...but it needs new canvas sometime soon. i think that by removing the fridge and creating a front dinette/sleeper it would be much more user friendly. i would really like for us to be able to stay the night at cameron pass or loveland ski area comfortably, which is why i didn't go with a tent pop-up...

i like the idea of the trailer & camper as opposed to truck & camper for a number of reasons:

-i have an FJ62 that i'm pretty wrapped up in both physically, mentally AND financially.
-i like being able to detach from camp...this was especially true for hunting this year as well as other trips we take
(mtn. biking in fruita/moab & backcountry skiing).
-without a truck, we need the trailer for household projects...having the slide-in camper and trailer gives us both.

thanks for the comments! i've been ogling & measuring the new trailer in between working on house projects all day.

-darin
 

teleturns

Adventurer
Great minds think a like! Awesome thread and I can not wait to see what you end up with. Take it from me and if you decide to do a side entrance put the door towards the rear of the passanger side and have it open to the right. Take a look at Dirty Dogs camper. I was screwed for my build because I had already bought a FWC door and it opens to the left. This makes it not usable for the rear of the passanger side, because it would hit the jack. I love the idea of the front dinet and bed. Make the bed as big as you can, because being comfortable is key.

Keep up the good work!
 

Devin W

Observer
Nice, a fellow Ft Collins-ite(?). :wavey: I've actually thought about what that would be like. I have a pretty sturdy landscape trailer that I'm building a platform that raise and lowers so that it will go low enough to go in the garage and extend high enough to get the awning over our heads and fit the dirt bikes underneath. That being said, I think that mine might be a bit more ghetto than yours! I do like the idea of having an indoor kitchen / shower on longer trips, though so I'm always seeing what pops upon Craigslist...

...My wife is all about compromise and getting what will do and having it asap...

This isn't all bad, Brian. I would probably be single if my GF didn't think that way!
 

Ford Prefect

Expedition Leader
Darin,

Yeah I can see what you mean about the FWC working just fine for you. Read this thread and you will see what I mean about how these things can go from "great idea" to "it would have been better to start from scratch." This guy has a great build, and it turned out superb, but honestly he could have done it all just the way it was for very little more than he spent, and he would have still had the trailer he could use or sell. I got the impression if he had it to do over he would have just gone from scratch.

Either way, just do what you feel is going to make yourselves happy, and then enjoy what you did. I did.

As for moving for work... Yeah, tell me about it. I went from CSU to Keystone, to Provo Utah, to Aspen, and back to Provo for work in the last ten years! Now I am looking again to move for work, I hope it happens soon, but who knows right.


This isn't all bad, Brian. I would probably be single if my GF didn't think that way!
HAHA, yeah I know what you mean. I am just glad my wife has poor taste in men, otherwise she would be with a really swell fellow. ;)

I really do enjoy our camper, and we have had some fun in it, and are planning several trips in it this summer. Moab, Ouray Colorado, Bryce Canyon, Zions, lots of those places. I just wish I could have convinced her to let me start building an expedition truck. For the same price I could have had the truck, and slowly added in what we needed, like cabinets, table/chairs, beds. I mean you can buy all of that second hand for a great price, and it would likely have worked out very nicely, but it would have taken me a year to get it all put together. Ah well, not like it matters, she said I can still buy the truck, once we have the money saved up again...:D
 

xxfullsailxx

Observer
Nice, a fellow Ft Collins-ite(?). :wavey: I've actually thought about what that would be like. I have a pretty sturdy landscape trailer that I'm building a platform that raise and lowers so that it will go low enough to go in the garage and extend high enough to get the awning over our heads and fit the dirt bikes underneath. That being said, I think that mine might be a bit more ghetto than yours! I do like the idea of having an indoor kitchen / shower on longer trips, though so I'm always seeing what pops upon Craigslist...

sounds like you need to save up for a toy hauler!

ghetto-ism = creative-ism... :victory:

and/or making the most of what you've got...
 

xxfullsailxx

Observer
Yeah I can see what you mean about the FWC working just fine for you. Read this thread and you will see what I mean about how these things can go from "great idea" to "it would have been better to start from scratch." This guy has a great build, and it turned out superb, but honestly he could have done it all just the way it was for very little more than he spent, and he would have still had the trailer he could use or sell. I got the impression if he had it to do over he would have just gone from scratch.

that thing is awesome! i've been lurking on here for quite a while but it never ceases to amaze me to see a build that i haven't drooled over yet.

and that just shows how motivation's and priorities change, right? i can't tell you how many "toys" and projects my dad has gone through over the years...from cab-over campers hauling trailers with dirt bikes to pull behind campers to motorhome's with boats in tow...i would imagine when my wife and i get to the point that we just want to travel or "overland" i will end up trying to convince her that we need a unimog or deuce and a half to build a camper on like john lovett...i just hope i have half the skills he does!

if i had the time, money and space i would build something from scratch (someday!)...but between work, a fixer-upper house, a project truck and too many hobbies i don't have the time, money OR space! i'm sure many on here can relate...except for the retirees with skills and/or $$$!

i'm just trying to make what we've got already function for us.

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xxfullsailxx

Observer
minor progress...

found some time to work on the new trailer in between rebuilding the old one (to sell) and working on our house...:rolleyes:

removed the lunette and replaced it with the adjustable channel and 2" receiver...this definitely seemed like the easiest and most versatile option...
thanks TexasFJ & Harley for documenting your builds!

also started in on the fender cutting...i need to make 48" between the wheel wells and i'm hoping this will clear the tires when i go to put it back together. otherwise i may need some wheel spacers until i get a new axle...i did find a good deal on some 8-lug wheels and tires that are in great shape, so i'm not as pressured to replace the axle right away, but i am going to go through the wheel bearings & hubs before i get it rolling again.

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i also have a few questions if anyone has the inclination to provide answers:

i'm weighing my options as far as axles go and i'm wondering if anyone has had any luck swapping out hubs on this axle?...i would like to go to 6 on 5.5 with electric trailer brakes...i suppose if it was possible, more people would be going that route? anyone know if there's parts available?

thanks for looking!

:sombrero:
 

Mark Harley

Expedition Leader
Great start on the trailer. The coupler channel makes the trailer so user friendly.
I have had several people comment on the simple solid design.
I would call around on the hub question or even drag it to some trailer shops for them to see.
Surely the hubs are interchangeable. Will you be taking the drums, backing plates and shoes off too?

Spend $15.00 and list the surge brake parts on the Steel Soldiers website or try Craigslist or ebay, "Heavy to ship"

The build is off to a great start! keep us posted
 

xxfullsailxx

Observer
found these:

http://www.easternmarine.com/dexter-12-x-2-brake-drum-hub-6-on-55-w-ez-lube-cap-k08-201-98

they also sell a 12" backing plate/brake pad assembly:

http://www.easternmarine.com/12-x-2-nev-r-adjust-electric-brake-assy-lh-6k-k23-458-00-0

i believe they will work on the stock mil. spec axle?

i'm having a hell of a time getting one drum off the hub...the phillips head screws are locked in good. i tried heating around the screw to no avail...then i ended up taking the hub nut off and prying the drum off the brake pad with the hub attached...the two screws are currently soaking in WD40.

and my old trailer is almost put back together...i'm going to try to sell it on craigslist this weekend! :victory:
 

Mark Harley

Expedition Leader
Those hub screws are a pain. When I dismantled the brakes on my 101A2 I destroyed an impact driver.
I did not need the drums so they were sold. Good price on the electric brake system, $100.00 and you will be set.
did you get the wheel tubs cut yet?
 

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