New defender concept dead!!

I Leak Oil

Expedition Leader
Jaguar has always been an upscale brand in a nich market and not an every Joe brand as Land Rover started. Jaguar F-type is going back to it's old E-type roots in many ways where the DC100 is treading far away from it's Defender lineage.

Land Rover failed to keep up (intentionally or not) with the world in the utility vehicle market and is too small and unwilling to make a legitimate attempt to re-enter it.

Admit it and get over it....Old trucks rule!
 

proper4wd

Expedition Leader
Old trucks definitely rule! I will never argue that.

I'm just trying to inspire a glimmer of hope that the next Defender will live up to it's legacy!
 

Snagger

Explorer
I think the management at Land Rover have completely lost the plot. What makes the Defender continue to be popular is that is completely different from the rest of their range, but its popularity deminishes the more complex it becomes. It's losing its character as well as its flexibility, repairability and affordability. Making its successor similar in complexity, appearance and cost to the rest of the range will kill it stone dead.

As for the suggestion that LR should be building the Ford Bronco, that makes no sense either. While LR have bought-in engines frequently, the original 1.6 and 2.6 having been Rover engines, the V8s also coming from Rover but originating in Buick, and the P38s having BMW engines, making the current Ford unit nothing unusual, LR have never licence built whole vehicles. The Bronco will be a hopelessly heavy platform of proportions ill-suited to anywhere but the US. Its looks certainly would only appeal in the US. The Bronco is fine for its target market, but it would be ridiculous for LR to rebadge it and try to sell it to the rest of the world; if it was any good, Ford would already be exporting it.

The solution is dead simple. Continue with the Defender as is, stripped of unnecessary complexities, and give the occupants more space by simply installing seat rails similar to those from Mudstuff.co.uk to sort out the comfort issue, reinforced A and B pillars and a steel windscreen frame for the safety issue and UK MoD spec tilt hoops for rag tops. If it's too expensive because of the hand-built nature, then shift assembly to India; they'll probably be able to build them better as well as cheaper. Most Defender users are happy with all the characteristics except quality - fix that and stop tinkering with everything else!
 
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Steve UK

Adventurer
Well said snagger.

Although not exactly the same very similar an article on Pistonheads about cars being too complicated and not being able to be fixed later in life http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=26934

I reckon anything after TD5 is too far, in fact the TD5 is right in the sweet spot for technology/home mechanic.

The fact I have a TD5 is no coincidence, I even found one without traction control/electric windows.

Steve
 

justfred

Adventurer
I think it's simpler than all that.

I think have fairly simple needs - and fairly simple wants! I'm looking at the Jeep Wrangler, because I'd like a reasonably capable vehicle with a full convertible top and/or hard top - hose-out interior - tows a reasonable sized trailer. OK mileage, non-abysmal service record.

The Defender and the Wrangler are in the same class, and there's nothing else in that class (that I can think of, at least). The Wangler seems to be selling well. I'm sure the Defender is a sturdier vehicle, might arguably be better offroad, etc. - but at least they're comparable. The D4 isn't comparable, and neither is the Tacoma, or the 4Runner, or the FJ, or the F150 - because they're not 4-door and/or the roof doesn't come off.
 

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