Odyssey PC2150 Problems

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
I bought an Odyssey PC210 from an online dealer this week and it arrived. Last night I installed it in my Discovery, but I'm having a bit of an issue...

The instructions say that if it has a 12.65 or better open circuit voltage, it's charged and good to go. It was exactly 12.65, so I dropped it in. I tried to start the truck, and just got clicking. I went back, measured the open circuit voltage again, and it was now reading 12.25.

I broke out my pretty typical automotive battery charger and hooked it up. I read the instructions, and it says that the 2150 will require a 40Amp charge rate to charge it up. It also says that you should not use a standard charger if the voltage goes over 15V, as this will damage the battery. I measured the voltage on the charger, and it started at 14.6V pushing about 7A. After several minutes, the amperage dropped to about 4, but the voltage reading was over 15V, so I disconnected it.

This morning, the truck still wouldn't start, so I jumped it using the old battery. I drove 30 minutes to work and parked it. At lunch I had to go pick up some steel, went out to the truck, it turned over slowly, but wouldn't start. I had to get another jump start. I left the truck idling for 30 minutes while picking up the steel. When I went to leave at 5, it still wouldn't start. Another jump, and drove 30 minutes home. I decided to try it again after getting home, and it very weakly did fire up, finally.

Has anybody else experienced this charger problem? I don't fully understand how the charger works, but how can any charger pump 40 Amps into the battery without going over 15V? Is the battery not taking a charge? Or is it that the battery is so big, it'll take the alternator a while to charge it enough that it will start well?

Or is something wrong with this battery?

I really wasn't expecting this much trouble when I bought it...
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
I just used a typical "dumb" battery charger. I think it is/was a 2/12A with a 70Amp engine start feature. Just hope it didn't damage the battery already. The instructions say if it goes over 15V the regulation valve will open up. I just don't understand why it went over 15V, but was only charging at about 4A at the time, and it's still deeply discharged.

Anyway, yes, I saw the Odyssey chargers, but didn't think I'd need one so soon. Interestly, they look almost exactly the same as the ones available at Canadian Tire. Just different colour. I will probably pick one up.
 

rambrush

Adventurer
I would suggest calling odyssey they were great on the phone when I was making my decision. I have 2 of the 1200's with no problems. they should have been good to go out of the box.
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
I bought a PC625 for a Seadoo, and a PC680 for my Focus at the same time. They're all in various states of discharge and I can't charge them well. I've got them on a trickle charger right now.

I'll call on Monday if this isn't cleared up. But I think it's time I get a "real" battery charger anyway. My trickle charger isn't doing a good job on my motorcycle battery either, and I think the old charger is on it's last legs anyway.
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
I picked up a 40A "intelligent" battery charger, hope it works. I'm currently using it to try and revive a dead flooded battery. We'll see. It says it works on flooded, AGM and gel cell batteries, but it has no way to tell it what you have connected. I looked at a Black and Decker charger that was similar, but had a button to select the battery type. I don't know if the one I got just figures it out on it's own, or if it just doesn't do this feature right. It wasn't clear when I bought it that it didn't have a selector.
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
Well, I'm still getting pretty screwed up results for this. I've tried charging the 625 and 680 with this charger, and the voltage keeps going to 15.9. It seems not to matter which charge current I select, the voltage keeps going to 15.9. The manual specifically recommends to charge at 10A or 20A. Both of these result in 15.9V charge rates. Has anybody else even looked at this, or you just hook up your chargers and don't worry about it?

It's really not clear from all the literature, is the 15V limit 15V *while* charging, or is it 15V after the battery is charged? This charger seems to go to 15.9V while charging, but then shuts off once full. The 680 I got to the end. Didn't take too long, and the charger said it was full.
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
Wow, so nobody else has been through this? Or am I the only one even looking at the charge voltage.

I tried to charge the PC2150 again yesterday. I hooked it up to the new charger set at 40A as recommended by Odyssey, and saw it was charging at 15.9V again. I turned it down to 10A, something the 2150 should have no problem with. 15.9V. I put it back up to 40A and left it for an hour, what else can I do? After an hour I took it off to make sure I don't overcharge it. I started the truck to make sure it had charged somewhat, and it worked.

This morning, I tried to start the truck, and it only turned over slowly, wouldn't fire. :( I grabbed my booster cables and the PC625 off the shelf and jumped it. A little slow to crank but it fired up. So now I'm carrying the 625 around with me. It does prove one point though. I had theorized one could install a 680 on the truck as a dedicated staring battery, and the 2150 could be for accessories/backup. Just an option for anybody who wants the 2150 instead of two full size batteries.

Anyway, I'll call Odyssey today.
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
I called Odyssey, sounds like I may have a bad 2150. She said it was very odd that it measured 12.65 out of the box but wouldn't start the truck. We also talked a lot about chargers. They have specific chargers coming from Schumacher, even though the case may be the same, the programming is different. They have constant voltage, whereas most chargers are constant amperage. She said going over 15V *may* be OK, but you really have to be careful. At the beginning of the charge, it will probably be ok, but when it gets full the battery will start to heat up and vent, which you will hear. They really recommend that you MUST use their chargers with these batteries. I wish I knew that beforehand, it may have swayed my decision. Their chargers are very expensive.
 

Tucson T4R

Expedition Leader
I run an Odyssey 1700 and a 925 in my 4Runner. I did get a defective 1700 that gave me goofy indications and wouldn't hold a charge well. Once replaced a few months ago, the new one works perfectly. One thing to check is the main battery terminals. If you remove the bolt from the top of the terminals, you will see a hex screw attaching the terminal to the battery. Make sure those hex screws are tight and your terminals are firmly attached to the battery. I found mine loose on the bad battery.

On the chargers. All AGM batteries are similar and require a good smart charger designed to properly charge AGM batteries. As long as you buy a good smart charger with an AGM setting, you should be fine. I have a Vector smart charger for out of vehicle charging that works fine with my Odyssey AGM batteries. I also have a Xantrex 20 amp charger in my trailer that charges two Deka Grp 31 AGM batteries and works perfectly.
 
You can also use another battery on the charger and then hook the Odyssey up in parallel...the old battery will trick the charger which *should* then charge the Odyssey. I've only done this with an Optima so YRMV.
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
Nope, stick a fork in it, this thing is done. Bought another charger, this one isn't going over 15V. I put it on for about 30 minutes at 15A and it says it's done.

I've actually jump started the truck 4 times now with the PC625 with no recharging and it's still above 12.75V so probably 90% charge.
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
I worked with Odyssey and the dealer, and they are sending me out a new battery. Hopefully should be here tomorrow. Good service, but it still shakes my confidence in these things a bit.
 

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