Piece it together

Chorky

Observer
As I continue working on my truck (see build thread if you wish), now that the moving situation has slightly slowed down, and the new schedule gives me a feel for what I really desire long term, I have been considering finishing my current truck build and possibly going another route. The truck is pretty amazing, and I dare not part with it with all that is in it, but I desire something that isn't really out there that is turn key, so am curious of community input to possibly help me make a decision (or not).

The idea would be a vehicle (maybe a truck, maybe a van, maybe something else) that is a unicorn. You know, light, powerful, simple, reliable, small but big, etc... That will be capable of hauling all my current gear (recovery gear, tools, spare parts, fluids, saws - equipment that more or less requires the storage space of a service bed or flatbed and boxes (but could be in a drawer system of a SUV). This unicorn would have a rack capable of hauling a total of 350 pounds of kayak gear (think the hobie tandem island), plus a quad in the bed, plus backpacking gear (or just a 'ready to go backpack). It would tow a home built trailer - 15' long and no wider than 7' (to provide for near perfect vehicle following), and no more than 7,000 pounds.

So the question comes down to the vehicle. The current truck is excellent, but it is a beast, has lots of storage, but is heavy (a good and bad thing), has a lot of goodies, but more electronics than I truly want, but is practically all new. However, as time progresses I still seem to desire more and more simplicity and less computer controlled things. This truck has a lot of goodies, and thus a good amount of computers and electronics. Every time I open the hood, I am bombarded by wires, lines, complexities that really are not all that necessary I don't think.

So a thought comes to mind of piecing something together as my abilities to have a shop and my tools begin to unfold hopefully in the near future.

The desirables
  • diesel
  • storage for gear said above
  • towing capacity for said above
  • easy to work on/fix and reliable frame
  • easy to work on/fix and SIMPLE body
    • same goes for all components actually
  • no factory frills
  • I would prefer to add my own as necessary, which many are not necessary
    • AC is a requirement but probably can fabricate my own box and lines
  • NO electronics. Electrical (such as switches and gauges) are one thing, but no computer controlled systems
    • which pretty much leaves the 4BT or 12v, or the older 7.3 IDI I suppose

So an example would be something like this:
12v, on a 6.2 frame with OBS suspension (for ease of customization) and a 77-79 Super Cab body - but this seems heavy

Or maybe something smaller?
4BT in a wagoneer, or 80-90 Ranger?

The idea would be simple operation but a cool and capable rig! But not something that is excessive. Something highly customizable with relatively simple components that can be fabricated with ease.

It should be noted that time I spend in truly off road situations (where 4x4 is an absolute requirement) is becoming less and less (which is normal for most people as they age anyway), so a crazy built rock crawling jeep is not quite the ticket. More inline would be a build similar to my current truck, though not as tall, but easily capable of washed out roads and big snow/ice. Honestly if the truck had no electronics in it with the same capability, and maybe a tad lighter (so super cab possibly) that would be near perfect I think.

So, what would your combination be? It certainly is a double edged sword, and unicorns don't exist ha! But I'm sure theres a good compromise of piecing things together somewhere.
 

85_Ranger4x4

Well-known member
I have a friend with a humvee 6.2 Detroit in a '87 Supercab Ranger on tons...



The neat thing about the detroit V8 diesels is they are not much bigger than a SBC.

4BT isn't bad but they are huge (tall/heavy) and run rather rough for a smaller vehicle.

83-88 Rangers are good starters. Good frame, minimal wiring, most of the stock powertrain wiring is more or less standalone. Get a $15 EVTM on ebay and go to town deleting what you don't need. They have been called an erector set because they can kinda be whatever you want them to be. 89-82 are not bad but the wiring gets more involved. 93-94 are similar. 95+ got the newer dash and it got worse as time went on as far as integration and the 98+ frames are not as durable (rust wise) as the older trucks.

No matter what the length of the engine bay is what gets you, it gets tight fast with a swap.

They made diesel Ranger's from the factory in the 80's too but most were 2wd and they barely crossed over the 100hp mark at best.

Towing 7k you might get into legal problems with a compact, most of those top out a little over 5k and rebuilding the truck with a one ton powertrain/suspension doesn't change the rating.

Mine is a pieced together thing but I opted to stay gas. I also wanted it to look like it might have came from the factory as it is too.
 

vargsmetal

Active member
I would say chevy 88-98 crewcab or ext cab. The cabs are roomy but not super heavy. My ext cab is 6200lbs. Offroad design for the SAS. Get one with a 6.5L or swap in a 12V.

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85_Ranger4x4

Well-known member
I would say chevy 88-98 crewcab or ext cab. The cabs are roomy but not super heavy. My ext cab is 6200lbs. Offroad design for the SAS. Get one with a 6.5L or swap in a 12V.

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88-94? has a really awkward radio setup if you go to an aftermarket HU. We have a '92 1500 Sierra for a parts runner at work and when the factory built in radio died we swapped in a cheap head unit, I swear it is more to the passenger side than the drivers side. If it was my personal truck it would drive me nuts. And of course after doing that half the buttons on the dash don't work which would bug me too.
 

XJLI

Adventurer
If the truck in your sig is the truck you currently have, keep it. You're trying to solve a problem you don't have, that truck already does everything you need.

If you want a simpler truck, you need to also simplify what you plan on doing and carrying, otherwise you're just going to be opening up huge compromises on safety and reliability. You want to shed weight, but you still want to be able hold a ton of gear and tow 15' trailer. I can't figure it out. You don't need serious rock crawling 4x4 ability, so why building something when you can pick up a basic truck and just add on what you need.

Want a smaller truck? No more trailer, less tools and gear.
Want a truck with less electronics? Get an old truck, keep it an old truck. Get old truck problems.
Swap engines and frame and axles? Now you have a sweet truck, with a random assortment of parts that lower your overall reliability. More old truck problems. A 4BT still weighs 800lbs.
 

Chorky

Observer
Thanks' for the input all.


If the truck in your sig is the truck you currently have, keep it. You're trying to solve a problem you don't have, that truck already does everything you need.

Your pretty correct. The truck does almost everything I need, and almost everything I want as well to be honest. I was slightly bored one day and was thinking what would be better. I dare not part with this truck especially with all the work that has been done to it. The only two things I dont like with it is the auto trans (which can be fixed), and the electronics. I do wish it was all mechanical. I don't like relying on electronics. I suppose some day when the engine goes (probably another 20 years) I can throw in a mechanical IDI-T.
 

vargsmetal

Active member
88-94? has a really awkward radio setup if you go to an aftermarket HU. We have a '92 1500 Sierra for a parts runner at work and when the factory built in radio died we swapped in a cheap head unit, I swear it is more to the passenger side than the drivers side. If it was my personal truck it would drive me nuts. And of course after doing that half the buttons on the dash don't work which would bug me too.
Mine is a 90 and I've gotten used to the radio position. Most of the time I'm using my phone to stream music so I don't have to touch the head unit. I installed a cubby from amazon in the place of the factory radio control panel, and bolted my RAM mount into it so my phone sits right there in easy view. Dash is uncluttered compared to a newer truck, and I think the 88-94 interiors hold up better.

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