pricing help please

762X39

Explorer
I have a troop carrier and will base my comments on ownership of same.
Petrol Unimogs have a max speed of 95kph or about 50 mph. Expect fuel consumption to be 9 miles per gallon or 30 litres per 100 kilometres. Do not expect to improve this (fuel consumption or top speed) unless you buy the kit from Germany and swap in the 5 cylinder 3 litre turbo diesel (top speed cannot be improved!).
If you have or can make time for your journeys they are wonderful. If you are impatient at stop lights and are generally rushed during your life, do not buy itbecause you will not be a good fit.
As far as price is concerned, if you want and need one I think the price is fair.
 
Last edited:
762, please correct me if I am wrong.
The M180 petrol motor is power limited in that chassiis, not rpm limited. But the 300 SD motor has 40% more torque and also 33% more hp, at 4350 instead of 4800. 12.5R20 (335/80R20) are 512 rev/mile, 10.5s~575. The axle/portal ratio is 7.56. So at 60mph with 12.5s it's at 3870, instead of 4350. The turbodiesel might make enough hp to propel the truck at 60mph at 3870.
My guesstimate is that since the diesel has 33% more power, and power draw at those speeds ~proportional to square of velocity, the diesel has the power to propel the vehicle 15% faster. It may run out of rpms before it runs out of power, whereas the M180 petrol motor runs out of power first.

Charlie

PS If you double your investment with the diesel conversion, also invest in a set of radial tires like 335/80R20 Michelin XZLs and make sure the brakes are in good shape. Also, another limit on long distance high speed driving is the portal boxes. On a 404 they are pretty small and I think they only hold 300ml of lubricant, They can easily overheat at high speeds and require very expensive repairs. Leaks must be fixed.
 
Last edited:

762X39

Explorer
Charlie...your math is correct but I haven't seen anyone run a tire larger than 38 inches (10R20 I think) on a 404 with or without the diesel and be able to really move the vehicle.It doesn't mean you can't run a larger tire but even the diesel and its 40 additional horsepower (plus however much more torque) seems to run out of juice above 55 on level ground.
Also the transmission doesn't like sustained high speeds (which is a relative term for a Mog) without cooling periods (I like to call them pee breaks).
Ultimately, a 404 is good as-is or with the 3 litre conversion because you already own it but really, double your budget and get a non-military round nose mog for serious overland work.
 

rdb4Runner

Observer
thanks

thanks for the info, looks like I'm going to pass on this one due to the fact that I have a 1 yr old(the mog doesn't have the seating req) and I don't always have the ability to take my time on trips. Guess I'm sticking with the 4Runner:victory:.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
188,436
Messages
2,904,832
Members
230,359
Latest member
TNielson-18
Top