Rear springs advice please! 2012 reg cab

Paddy

Adventurer
So I've got a suspension that's sort of half way there I think. I got icon extended travel coil overs in front with new UCAs and sway bar removed. Seems to be pretty nice. In back I'm on stock 3 leaf and shocks, and I added some airbags that were laying around. The bags are too stiff I think, and the oem shocks suck. I want to replace them with "something else". I think I will be running with this canopy shell full time, and it's about 160 lbs on its own, and I want a supple ride while exploring with 200-500 lbs gear. If it ends up bit taught around town empty I'm okay with that but I don't want too stiff. Lift needs about 2"-2.5" I'm guessing. Oh ya I have a real rear bumper too.

Any suggestions? I'm reading about used F150 springs, or? And what about shocks? The fronts are digressive damped, unlike most which seem to be progressive, so do the rears need to match?
 

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brianjwilson

Some sort of lost...
Definitely best to match from and rear shocks. Even if you want to keep the cost down, go with 2.0 icons so they are valved alike.

The OME dakars could work for you. They lifted my double cab long bed 2.75" but with an empty bed. However you could remove the top overload spring (drops around 5/8") and or one of the main leafs. That might get you what you're looking for. Possibly regular all pro springs (I would call them and ask). I'd sell you the new take offs from my truck (stock 3 leaf with overload) and you could run an icon or similar progressive add a leaf on the bottom, but by the time you do that you might as well compare the cost of a full new leaf pack though too.

I don't like referring people to tacoma world for advice usually, but here is a thread about the dakar springs with measured hub to fender height. Only a few regular cabs measured and posted. But there are numbers for people who removed and added certain leafs too, so you should be able to get a reasonable idea where the regular cab would sit with a leaf removed. It's a starting point anyway.
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/2nd-gen-ome-dakar-hub-to-fender-measurements.173193/
 
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bat

Explorer
The problem with OME rear springs you need to have weight in the back or pull leaf springs to have the ride okay. I have Allpro expo springs on and is a DD driver with 300 lbs and when camping I will add another 3/400 lbs and the ride is the same. The Allpro regular springs might be a good call but you are really on the edge with the weight and could get saggy.
 
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Paddy

Adventurer
Cool thanks. Yeah there is *some* weight extra, with the cap and the rear bumper and I also forgot to mention I have a full size spare under the bed so it's probably +30 or so as well. But the reg cab throws the typical setup off because they are so short and lighter that I'm afraid of over springing. I hear the icon 2.0 suggestion and agree so that's probably the shock we will be getting. You've picked up on the frugal nature of my request, I don't want to dump a ton of money into it as I'm still kind of in pain from the front setup costs.
 

Jeff H

Adventurer
I was torn on my rear suspension setup for my truck. I ended buying the parts I needed to build a custom leaf pack (search Old Man Doug). I'm going to be running DR/Icon 2.5 coilovers up front and wanted to run matching Icons on the rear. Unfortunately my budget wouldn't allow for them so I opted for the longer Bilstein 5125. Not ideal but I think they'll work for my needs.
 

bat

Explorer
Unfortunately my budget wouldn't allow for them so I opted for the longer Bilstein 5125.

I also have Bilsteins extended in the rear but not the 5125 they are from Downsouth Motorsports, budget or not they are great shocks
 

Paddy

Adventurer
Looks Like bilstein 5100/5125 shocks are digressive damped which would match my icons up front and are a lot cheaper. So, thinking on that front I'm again confused by the applications for "lifted trucks". Why would you want a longer shock for a lifted truck and not on a non lift application? Wouldn't up travel be limited if the shock is longer and compressed length longer? Unless it's a body lift I'm not sure how this is an advantage.
 

brianjwilson

Some sort of lost...
Yes up travel is limited with a longer shock. However with bigger tires that's not always a bad thing. With heavier duty leaf springs they may not compress as much either. It is easy to adjust bump stops to not damage the shocks on compression.
The key to longer shocks is more overall travel. Usually a 1" longer collapsed length equals around an extra inch of travel, since you can fit a longer rod inside the shock body. Generally you put together your spring pack and let your axle down to full droop the with no shocks. The spring/shackle setup is going to designate how far they droop. Then measure the eye length of the bottom shock mount to the bottom of the top stud mount. This also helps prevent the spring pack from trying to tear apart a shorter shock when it is drooped.
You should really also measure full compression (generally you'll just be able to do one side at a time). Then you should measure standard ride height.
From there you'll come to a compromise when order shocks basically. Too long a shock will not leave much compression at ride height, which may be limited by tire size anyway. Too short will result in the shocks topping out often and the springs trying to pull the shock apart.

For me, since I'm running 33" tall tires, I ordered shocks that are a little over 26" extended, pretty close to where the spring pack rests when it hangs. I may need to adjust my bump stops slightly to keep from bottoming out the shocks, but I'll gain around 1.5" of shock travel compared to the standard icons that ship out for tacomas. Less worry about tire rubbing or trimming, and more travel to keep the tires on the ground.

A lot of people will just use the normal shocks with a kit and run them with taller springs, and don't seem to notice or mine much. It's up to you. I'm just kind of picky and prefer things to be setup a specific way. ;)


The bilsteins may be ok. They are digressive but not valved the same. I haven't had an issue with bilsteins too much in the rear, but the rebound dampening in IFS applications are not good. They do not catch the suspension on the down stroke at all. May not be as much of a deal in the rear. Beware that while the 5100s have a lifetime warranty, most of the "offroad" series like the 5150, 5160 or whatever have a short limited warranty. The 5100s like to blow seals, don't know about the others. I guess they are relatively cheap to replace if it happens though.
 
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Paddy

Adventurer
Okay thanks that makes sense. Yeah I'm not super hardcore wheeler but if I'm doing this I'd rather feel like I'm doing it right. So springs are first. Seems a bit odd the spring people don't just say use X length shock with this spring etc.
so are you just going to put a spacer under the bump stop or run something different?
 

brianjwilson

Some sort of lost...
I have a u bolt flip kit and wheelers super bumps installed. They are taller and more progressive so they don't bottom out hard. When I get home and install the shocks I'll cycle the suspension. If needed I'll install spacers under the bump stops (a have a handful of 1/4" spacers to use).




Then I have taller timbren springs that I'll use when I have the four wheel camper in back which will limit the up travel anyway. This was another big reason I wanted to make use of the down travel.

I will tell you that at ride height on my truck with the dakars, my factory shocks have a little less than 2" of down travel. They top out (and it feels horrible) if I hit a dip/driveway wrong. If my memory is right, factory rear shocks are around 22" and bilstein/icon/OME are normally around 23-24". But that is memory only. If true I'd still have a little droop from ride height with standard icons and I bet it would ride fine for most
 

Paddy

Adventurer
After speaking with My local Toyota guy And you guys Izx decided to order the ome Dakar springs. Now I need to find my factory bump stops that may have been thrown away when I installed the bags. Anyone have any bump advice? I'm not spending the dough for the timbrens unless they wash my dishes better than my Bosch
 
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Paddy

Adventurer
I'm in St. John's
Hey Brian do you know how thick your spring pack is?
 
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