Reflections: The Honda Element

Applejack

Explorer
My wife and I have been the owners of a 2011 Honda Element EX AWD for about a year now. I posted about it when we got it but now, nearly a year later and 15,000 miles of use, I feel that I can give some feedback to those who may be considering an Element for their Exped/Adventure car.

Long story short, we have a gas hog 4runner that we didn't want to have to take every time asphalt gave way to dirt or on trips over to the coast with the family+dog+stuff. But we had to because we had a WRX Limited that wast up to that task.
We have always been Suby loyalists, and have owned 7 of them and against my urging to stay in the Subaru fold, we strayed. I let my wife pick the car because it was her car we were relplacing based on these parameters.
Must be 4WD or AWD, be able haul us and or stuff to the coast/camping etc., and get at least 25-ish mpg.

She wasn't digging the looks of the Foresters or Outbacks and had recently become smitten with the Elements. So we found one and got it.
I was only a week before breaking it in on it's first adventure, and my what a disappointment it was. We took the Mr. E Machine to the high desert of Oregon to our favorite camping spot. The 160 mile drive revealed how clumsy and noisy this car is. The steering is quite vague and is not meant for spirited driving. The 166 hp 2.4 litre engine is noisy with adequate power at best, but having a 5 speed auto is helpful to make good use of what power it does have for highway driving. Another nit to pick is the fuel economy or lack thereof. We have yet to see 25,24 or even 23 mpg. Big bummer. We were watching the needle drop lower and lower hoping that perhaps the last half of the tank would redeem the first, but nay! Things got worse when we hit the gravel road, the poor car's suspension began clunking over moderate corrugations. I was hoping to get some relief when we turned off the gravel onto the dirt two track, but sadly the suspension clunk faded into a constant scraping sound and we drug the Elements belly the final mile and a half to our camp. The car sits just a wee too low for all but the most tame of two track side roads.

Over the course we have really tried to like it. It has utilitarian appeal but is limited by a payload capacity of a mere 640 pounds, which we do exceed regularly.
If you have no passengers you can really cram a lot of stuff in there.
After battling a winter with the stock tires we fitted larger General Grabber AT2's which have helped a lot in the traction dept., and gave it nearly an inch better ground clearance. Remarkably even with larger tires and a Yakima rocket box we haven't lost and mpg's. Perhaps having the drag coefficient of a wall lends to this result.

Again, we really wish we liked this car but it just feels way too taxed to live the life that we do, and they really were not built to tackle the rougher terrain that Subaru's can handle. So we will be selling Mr. E and moving on.
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jonnyquest

Adventurer
I'm interested in seeing the replacement. Subaru's have a lot of appeal for me, but I don't know much about them. The great fuel economy is the most important feature. Durability is a close second. Simplicity is best, but complex is ok as long as information is available for the DIY mechanic.
 

Ryanmb21

Expedition Leader
Good honest report. Kudos for the honesty, too often people will tell you, and post on and on, about perfect a truck or a mod is - only for it to fall on to the "for sale" page shortly thereafter.

At least you tried something new! I'm shocked that thing cant get 23mpg!
 

Applejack

Explorer
Better to be bummer now rather than after shelling out the coin. :sombrero: Honestly the most disappointing aspect of the car is the mileage. We have some friends with an earlier model and they told us that even though they were only rated for 24-25 mpg, they would regularly get near 30 mpg. I think someones arithmetic is a bit off.

When camping it is great to open up all those doors to pack and unpack. It's nice to have a tailgate to sit on or cook on too. But to live with this car daily is a pain sometimes. It's very difficult to see out of, especially if the rear seats are folded up. Getting rear seat passengers in and out is a circus when you are parked in between other cars, made worse when it rains.

The car is pretty nimble though, and has a surprising turning radius, but not as surprising as the amount of torque steer this car has. It's scary sometimes, it almost feels like it has a limited slip up front.
 

BigSwede

The Credible Hulk
I actually think they would get better mpg with a bigger motor...the shape is just not aerodynamic enough for that little 4-banger to push though the air. Sounds like you could get the same mpg with an FJ Cruiser...

And yeah, 30 mpg?? I don't buy it. Even CRVs struggle to get 30 with the same motor, and they aren't brick shaped.
 

Flagster

Expedition Leader
Good to hear...thanks for the review...

I have always like the elements "purpose built" inside and basic design and with the ecamper option thought it would make a nice road tripping vehicle...

Wonder if a FWD/manual option would be much better?
 

WagoneerSX4

Adventurer
There's a big difference between a car that's made to "look" the part, and a car that's built for the part. CRV's fall into the same category, just were never made to leave the pavement.

Unfortunately, there are very few crossover's or small SUV's that are actually built to be used anymore.
 

zeke2.0

Adventurer
We have an Element and have been completely disappointed in the gas mileage . Rarely get over 19 mpg. Plus, there is zero sound dampening material in the panels. Will probably be moving away from Honda on next vehicle for wife.
 

FAW3

Adventurer
We have an '09 Honda Element...with the AWD, we bought new.

I fully concur with the comments about ground clearance (very limited), noise (yep), honest mileage ave. is about 20MPG (you can be light and faster, or heavy and drive slower...but you will never see over 23-24MPG at best). That being said...it has been a trouble free vehicle which as designed has the most versatile interior design I have ever seen. The interior space is generous and seating 4 normal sized folks is no issue...width or height...and the things you can do with the back seats are unique (fold down, fold up to side, remove), the simple easy clean flat floor is nice also.

The AWD is just a part time system that helps a bit in rough going on pavement or perhaps a gravel road. No way do I consider this an off road vehicle. I would never say try a beach sand run in it.

I'll note that my young daughter as a new driver loved it...the good visibility and easy to see "corners" of the vehicle were much appreciated. My elderly MIL liked it as it was easy to get into and out of.

All that being noted...a vehicle that has met our needs for running around, light hauling and some camping trips and has run a few forest roads. Within those limits...perhaps one of the better "econoboxes" out there.
 

hobbner

New member
Just got back from a Colorado Honeymoon with the Honda Element. Im currently saving up for something bigger/better, but this has been a fantastic vehicle for my adventures for the past 6 years. Especially love the folding seats that convert into a bed and the moonroof in the rear for night time star gazing.

While in Colorado we did the following passes with the element.
Cumberland Pass, Cottonwood and Engineers Pass. Made it half way up mosquito as well.
Admittedly the driving was slow, and horse power was lacking at that elevation for the 4 cylinder without a low range, as with any vehicle we had to be very choosey about our lines and fill a few ruts with rocks but we did it. One jeep rented by a tourist had cut a switch back to tight and damaged his side step. He looked in amazement as we glided past him in our 'toaster'

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Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
I briefly considered an Element when I was getting ready to sell my Outback in 2006. Although I enjoyed the test drive, a quick look at the stats confirmed the poor MPG and a quick look underneath the body revealed the shockingly inadequate ground clearance. Not only is the ground clearance low, but the fuel tank is one of the lowest points!

I also am less than thrilled with the "real time 4wd" which in practice means you don't actually have 4wd until you start slipping. IMO that's too late - I want 4wd/AWD to prevent me from slipping in the first place!

The Element is an interesting idea, I love the concept of a purely utilititarian vehicle.

But the reality is that if you want a utilitarian vehicle to actually take off road, you can probably get a 2nd gen Xterra that will give you most of the utility of the Element (albeit without the simple and configurable load area) and nearly the same MPG with true 4wd and a very powerful engine. In fact almost any modern mid-sized SUV can probably come within 1-2 MPG of the Element's numbers and deliver a whole lot more performance for roughly the same cost (seeing as how you pay the "Honda Tax" when you buy an Element anyway, which in some cases is even higher than the "Toyota Tax.")

EDITED TO ADD: Understand, I'm not hating on the Element, it's a fine vehicle and it created a niche - if imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, Honda should be flattered. I doubt we would have the likes of the Scion XB or the Kia Soul if not for the Element creating the "box car" niche. The danger for Honda is that the Element has not been updated since its introduction (except for minor tweaks like getting rid of the plastic corner panels) and it's getting long in the tooth. Sooner or later Honda's going to have to decide whether they want to double down and revamp the Element or to cut and run.

Still, it's a nice option for someone who never ventures further than a well-graded dirt road. Having said that, if I was in the market for a paved-road-only multi-use vehicle, I'd probably lean more towards the Ford Transit Connect with windows and the rear seat package.
 
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madmax718

Explorer
I might be wrong but, the element is already discontinued, and the Xb variants were out overseas before the element was created.(square and utilitarian have been in asia a long time. lol)
 

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