Registering your Home-Built Expo Trailer

SAR_Squid79

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I have been trying to figure out what I had to do to make my Expedition Trailer nice and legal.

After exhaustively and painfully raking through the confusing CA DMV trying to make sense out of ANYTHING. I finally gave up, and turned to google. After a few searches, I found all the answers I needed on this guys write-up.

It occurred to me that maybe we should start a thread containing all the legal requirements for Expo Trailers for various states, since they are becoming more and more popular.

CALIFORNIA Home Built Trailer Registration Requirements:

http://td.roughwheelers.com/DMV/index.html

I called the DMV before going, and they said that we needed to bring in the trailer, and that it would be ok to drive it on the streets w/o a plate to get there. Some people had told me that it might be ok to just bring photos of the trailer but that is not the case in southern Calif, at least not at the Hawthorne branch of the Calif DMV. (am I leaving out any searching "hit words"?)

A few tips bear mentioning:

* Bring someone with you. It takes one person to stay with the trailer outside in the inspection area, and one person to stand in line inside. If the inside line goes faster, that's ok but the clerk will say that they can't do anything until the inspection is done. If you're alone, you'll have to get the trailer inspected, THEN start standing in line for a window clerk. That may cost you an extra hour or more, in which case you ought to bring some snacks so you don't get so grumpy waiting.

* Bring walkie talkies. We used little Motorola TalkAbout FRS radios and they worked great. When Louise got up to the window she was able to tell the clerk that I was outside and the inspection was underway.

* Start to finish, about 2 hours. We didn't have an appointment, but we got there at 7:30am, on a day when they open earlier than usual. There were still about 40 people ahead of us, but it went fairly fast. We were the 1st in line for the inspection, and #30 for the inside window. Those came out pretty even because the inspector doesn't open early, so our timing was just as good as it could be.

* Make sure to say that your trailer is under 1400 pounds. I said that ours was "about 1000 lbs, definitely under 1500 lbs." The inspector wrote down 1500 lbs, just under the legal limit for needing brakes. I do have brakes, but I didn't want to Have To have brakes.

* I was disappointed that the inspector didn't even want to see the inside at all. He also didn't look underneath.

* The inspector will give you a metallic VIN number sticker. He warned me that the glue isn't all that great, and if I wanted to rivet it down that would be a good idea. What I did do was while he went inside to get the VIN sticker, I squirted some drinking water on a nice frame spot & rubbed it clean with a rag so there was a good place to stick the VIN sticker.

* I plan to later engrave or pound the VIN number into the frame.

* It was sort of difficult to find a good parking place for a trailer at the DMV. You might want to have a 3rd partner holding a spot for you until you're finished with the inspection.

* You are registering a "Homebuilt Utility Trailer". Memorize that. Say it to yourself while in line. It's a utility trailer because "House Trailers" are not eligible for a PTI (Permanent Trailer Identification) license plate. This should not be an issue, however.... I read & reread the CA auto laws as posted by the DMV, and they keep referring you to a different section of the code for a definition of trailer & house trailer, but they never actually define it. This could be bad if the DMV clerk you get thinks that all camping trailers are "House Trailers" like the big RV trailers. So play it safe, and say "utility trailer".

* Forms you need in California: 343, 4017, 5036 & They gave us a 124 during the proceedure. "Application for Assigned Vehicle Identification Number Plate".

* Bring receipts showing approximately how much you spent. Be sure to bring receipts for the major stuff; plywood, frame, and axle if you bought it. Other stuff may not matter. I recommend bringing copies of receipts, in case they get lost or filed. Leave your originals at home (or in the car if you expect that they will require the originals). If the DMV wants copies, you can just give them your extra set, which would have saved me almost 15 minutes of waiting while the DMV clerk slowly pulled out the staple, made one copy of each receipt, then slowly re-stapled my stack....

* They will want to know how much you paid for the trailer. You can't answer that, because you didn't buy it. You just showed them receipts for parts. Then they say; "Oh, ok, so how much was the kit?" Again, a bad question. You didn't buy it as a kit. The other possible choice on Form 343 is how much it's market value is (if it was a trade or a gift). Yet another bad question, as it's neither a gift nor a trade. It's a home built utility trailer made from raw materials. As it turns out, the reason they are so interested in the amount you paid is that they want to charge you Sales Tax! So be sure to point out that you paid sales tax on the materials when you bought them. Oh boy! That really confused them!!!

After some consulting, the DMV clerk came back and told me to write the amount we spent on materials in the blank labeled "I paid ___ in sales tax to a state other than California". Well that still doesn't make a lot of sense, but it's what they wanted, & I didn't have to pay any sales tax on stuff I already paid sales tax on, so I didn't try to make trouble about it.

* We paid a grand total of $30 for 5 years registration & a PTI license plate. The PTI plate does not need any yearly stickers. Personal check was ok, but they wanted to see ID. Our drivers licenses were acceptable forms of ID. Louise & I both wanted to be on title, and that was perfectly ok with everyone.

* The clerk's computer issued the license plate number, and we picked up the plate at a different desk on the way out. Luckily we were already set up for a license plate and brought mounting screws. We installed it before leaving the DMV.

* The registration says we are supposed to keep a copy of it with the trailer, at least when we are towing & using it.

The DMV mailed us a Certificate of Title (pink slip) in a week or 2.

Hooray! !!!

INSURANCE:
I asked my (state farm) insurance agent what did I need to cover this beautiful little trailer. He said that liability is not necessary, as the towing vehicle's coverage will extend to the trailer too. I asked about what if the trailer is not connected to the Jeep, and it rolls downhill and smashes into someone's fully restored hot rod truck? He didn't like the sound of that any more than you do, but he called me back & said that the towing vehicle's liability still extends to cover the trailer. No extra charge.

I asked about coverage against theft & damage to the trailer. That came to about $20 a year with a $500 deductible for about $6000 of coverage. Sounds affordable! They don't want to know hardly anything about the trailer now, it's up to me to document the loss should the time come. The contents of the trailer would not be covered by this policy, but probably covered by the homeowners policy (up to a limit). I will try to find some photos (!), and keep them with the receipts and a list of all reasons that this is a very special little trailer, and very difficult to replace.
 
I know that Rezarf has gone through this in Colorado - hopefully he'll chime in with the details. From what i recall, he said it was fairly painless.
 
Was a home built, but not an Expo trailer, that a friend & I registered in northern So. CA. We went in on a Saturday. Can't recall if an appointment or not. Same deal, they wanted to charge sales tax on it. We had receipts for everything that we had spent money on (wheel bearings and some steel tube), everything else was pre-existing. The person behind the counter glanced at them and moved on. Weight was important. We estimated ours to weigh 1000 lbs., though I think it is actually less. The DMV was OK with an estimate, no weight slip needed.

The Inspector did not check that lights worked or that the fenders covered the tires or much of anything for that matter. She installed the VIN sticker and advised us to stamp the number in the frame in two places. One on the tongue in plain sight. The other in someplace where only we would know where to look for it.

A comment that the Inspector made, prior to getting the VIN sticker made out, was if there was an existing VIN on the trailer. Had there been one I was left with the impression that she would have used it rather than the next one in the State issued sequence. Translation: If you want a custom VIN, stamp it into the frame before taking the trailer to the DMV.
 
Wow, that was long and drawn out.

When I registered my homebuilt teardrop in 2002 I didn't have any of that hassle. I fabricated my own VIN plate prior to registration (set of number and letter punches and some leftover sheet aluminum from the roofing), put it on the tongue with rivets, grabbed my wallet and checkbook and rolled down to DMV first thing in the morning (before they opened, #7 in line!) and got in line.

The window clerk took my form, took me outside, looked at the trailer, asked some questions about weight and value (700lbs and whatever number I made up... I said 'bout $300 in materials, priceless labor!'), took me back inside, stamped stuff, tapped on the computer, opened a drawer, handed me a plate, printed the temp registration card, and sent me home a happy camper. Total time about 45 minutes from arrival to back on the streets.

One neat thing is that the VIN can be pretty much whatever you want it to be. Some folks use a DOB or SSN (bad!) or DL#. I used "TD01" followed by 0x and then the last 6 digits of the tow vehicle's VIN converted into hexadecimal. :) The California DMV Handbook of Registration Procedures isn't entirely clear, as they presume that the trailer is a 'kit' and comes with a kit maker's VIN (exempt from the Federal 17 digit requirement). But you just tell them "It's not for resale and I'm the kit manufacturer and this is the VIN I assigned to this one-of-a-kind-kit." and you're golden. :)
 
cruiseroutfit said:
Makes Utah sound archaic. We don't even have to have a VIN or plates on a single axle trailer :D
Same as in Oregon. I get to register one of those in CA in the next month or so. I inherited Granddad's utility made from GI 2.5t bed sides. Originally had DC-3 wheels & tires on it. I'm pre-assigning it his initials, the build year (1951) and 001 for a VIN since it has none.
 
ntsqd said:
If you want a custom VIN, stamp it into the frame before taking the trailer to the DMV.

Sorry but this is incorrect. A trailer VIN is a 16 digit code that contains a SAE issued WMI #, identifies the manufacturer, where it was made, year it was made, model, # of axles, overall length, sequential build number and if that was not enough, it contains an algorithm that defines what is know as a check digit designed to make it difficult for thieves to make up their own and re-register vehicles, trailer etc. It does not simply suffice to come up with your own VIN based upon the criteria you have mentioned. DMV's around the country run the VIN through a VIN checking software to confirm that it is a correct VIN.

If you are building your own trailer, leave it up to your local DMV to assign your VIN for you. They make special VINs for people building kit cars, trailers, trikes etc. If you make up your own, you may find that it may cause you more headaches than you know.

I know the notion of personalized VIN is fun , I would just hate to see you get into more red tape than you need to.
 
Thats the link I used as a basis for registering my home build in CA,

I also had all reciepts in a binder.....and reminded her that I would not be paying sales tax on the trailer.

As I had already paid it on the component parts....she went to check.....

< $40 out the door with a permanent trailer tag.....no use here though...

My "extra large dog box" arrives in my shipment this month, cant wait to camping
 
Here in MI...

Get a weight slip for the trailer.

Take that to the Secretary of State, Sign a form stating the trailer was "built with materials on hand" and you are on your way with a permanent trailer plate. No re-registration, ever.

I paid $75, I believe the jump in permanent trailer plate fees starts at 10,000GVW and goes to $300.
 
Mario,
The VIN that CA State assigned to the C.U.T. is not 16 digits, it is "CA" + 6 or 8 digits. We used the middle 4 numbers for an issue on the trailer (for the sake of memory), but I can't recall for sure the exact number of 'prefix' and 'suffix' numbers, but it is less than the 10 or 12 total (depending on if you count the "CA" or not) that would be needed to make up 16.
I am led to believe that home builders may not have to play by the same rules as do mfg's. At least in this regard. Certainly letting the state assign the VIN is the path of least resistance, but the lady specifically asked if there was an existing number. Since there was not I've no idea what that would have led to. This may also be what drove the lady's suggestion that it be stamped not only in the tongue, but also in a place where only we knew where it was.

elcoyote said:
Sorry but this is incorrect. A trailer VIN is a 16 digit code that contains a SAE issued WMI #, identifies the manufacturer, where it was made, year it was made, model, # of axles, overall length, sequential build number and if that was not enough, it contains an algorithm that defines what is know as a check digit designed to make it difficult for thieves to make up their own and re-register vehicles, trailer etc. It does not simply suffice to come up with your own VIN based upon the criteria you have mentioned. DMV's around the country run the VIN through a VIN checking software to confirm that it is a correct VIN.

If you are building your own trailer, leave it up to your local DMV to assign your VIN for you. They make special VINs for people building kit cars, trailers, trikes etc. If you make up your own, you may find that it may cause you more headaches than you know.

I know the notion of personalized VIN is fun , I would just hate to see you get into more red tape than you need to.
 
ntsqd said:
I am led to believe that home builders may not have to play by the same rules as do mfg's.

You are probably correct in that regard. As a Mfg we have a very specific set of rules and submissions to follow. I think the path of least resistance by allowing the DMV to issue the VIN is probably the least grief ridden.

Just to give you how strict the rules can be for Mfgs, one of our SA colleagues once had a whole container of trailers held up in Customs because the check digit algorithm was misapplied on only one of the VINs. Customs said the container was to be shipped back to the port of origin unless a notarized explanation for the mistake and a new VIN tag could be provided. Fortunately we were able to help resolve it for them.
 
Pretty simple in Idaho for smaller trailers... If it is under 1000lbs unladen weight, you can register it as a utility trailer. 10 year plate is less than $15. No VIN plate or anything. The last motorcycle trailer i built I just walked in and said I have a home built trailer under 1000lbs and they handed me a plate...

If it is bigger, I'm pretty positive you have to take it in and get a VIN plate and the cost is more. Not sure about RV specific rules...
 
Colorado was scary easy to get my home-built on the road. Guessed how long, wide, and heavy it was, walked out with a VIN and tag.

Makes me a little worried how many hack-jobs are heading down the road at 80mph! :bike_rider:
 
Rezarf <>< said:
Colorado was scary easy to get my home-built on the road. Guessed how long, wide, and heavy it was, walked out with a VIN and tag.

Makes me a little worried how many hack-jobs are heading down the road at Y80mph! :bike_rider:

Yeah Colorado is super easy but I had to show them recipets for some of the materials also.
 
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Ohio is about the same way, just bought an old traler frame with only a bill of sale, went in asked what they needed she looked at the bill of sale, my drivers license, said sign this paper, gave her 26 bucks and walked out with plates or one plate should say. Never asked for weight anything , oh she did ask if it was a commercial trailer or would be used commercially. That was all!

Tom
 

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