Salt River, AZ

TexGX

Explorer
After a nice camping trip driving along the Salt River over the holidays, I was thinking it might make for a nice kayaking trip as well. Has anyone kayaked the Salt from the 60 to 288? How long would it take? This would be my first kayak camping trip, what should I bring? Things to think about? Time of year?

There would be at least two people. I am thinking of me and some gear in the Element 15ft and a smaller kayak for my friend. I might think about bringing the dog as well.

TexGX
 

LandCruiserPhil

Expedition Leader
During the peak of the season (March - April/May) in can be done in 1 long day on a paddle raft. Most make a 2 day trip out of the full 20 miles of water. Water is class III with some class IV at peak of the season. I have never done it in a kayak but it a raft its a blast.
 

TexGX

Explorer
That is good to know. Lance and I thought it might get interesting during the high flow times. Might need professional help on this one.

TexGX
 
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agavelvr

Guest
After a nice camping trip driving along the Salt River over the holidays, I was thinking it might make for a nice kayaking trip as well. Has anyone kayaked the Salt from the 60 to 288? How long would it take? This would be my first kayak camping trip, what should I bring? Things to think about? Time of year?

There would be at least two people. I am thinking of me and some gear in the Element 15ft and a smaller kayak for my friend. I might think about bringing the dog as well.

TexGX

I took my first kayak camping trip on Saguaro Lake as a shakedown trip in a 12' hard kayak. Was glad that I did because it taught me some packing techniques to trim the boat out and let me get a feel for the handling.
Then, back in late March of last year, my buddy and I headed out to tackle the Verde River, which you might find to be a more enjoyable trip than the Upper Salt, but it all depends on flow rates. Scenery is spectacular on either trip.

A couple of things I learned:
Several smaller drybags seems to work better than fewer large ones
Plan for disaster...have everything tied down at all times!
A GPS is not needed since you will not be deviating from the trail, though a river map is nice to show you where you are.
AZ rivers can be brutal during low flow and a heavy boat. Bring the appropriate patch kit for your hull.

Pack for an ultralight backpacking trip, add 15 degrees of warmth to your kit for the anticipated conditions (even on a warm day, you might be a little cold when you set camp).
I prefer simple backpacking meals to real cooking since I'm pretty tired at the end of the day. A warm meal at dinner and breakfast is nice, with easy trail foods during the day. Keep a snack bag accessible while paddling.
Bring two pairs of warm cloths, packed in separate dry bags just in case of leak or loss...the water and air is cold during our short season here in AZ.

On my trips in December and late March, I wore wet suit shorts, a spray jacket with rash guard underneath, neoprene booties, and neoprene gloves. The water was cold, but the sun was hot. Periodically, I would pour a little water into my jacket to cool off. A farmer john would be nice if you are facing cooler weather or get cold easy.

Flow rates are highly variable here in Arizona when you are talking about the Salt or Verde. Low flow for kayaking on both the Salt and Verde is roughly 300 cfs, which will have you dragging on numerous spots. 500 cfs is better, but will be challenging to risky for newbies with limited skills. A short boat is probably easier to navigate the sketchy spots, though an inflatable is more forgiving than a hard sided boat in this case.

Moving water is much more difficult than the lake! Make sure you have the skills to spin your loaded boat quickly. Strainers are probably the most dangerous thing out there.
I would not advise bringing a dog with you unless you have excellent paddling skills and a well behaved water loving pooch. My short hair dogs would freeze pretty easy in either river and be distracted by all the wildlife.

Hope it helps,
 

TexGX

Explorer
agavelvr,

Thanks for the great information. It sounds like I might want to find someone with experience to join us. I have the option of doing it in a 9ft or 15ft inflatable. I will have to check out the Verde.

TexGX
 

DesertBoater

Adventurer
I don't know how much whitewater experience you have, but I do know that the section of the Salt that you're referring to contains some serious water. I think the 20 miles that Phil referred to is a different run completely. It's typically done in 4-5 days often with raft support to make life more comfortable. You will need a permit from the USFS, however unless you can pick up a cancellation permit, the application period for the lottery system closed on January 15th. The permit season runs from March 1st through May 1st, so if there's water beyond those dates, the only permit you'd need is from the White Mountain Apache tribe, which you'd need to launch anyway. I would say a river map is required, and the Forest Service also has a few required items that they can ticket you for if you don't have them. Some sort of fire containment device, a human waste containment system, and a couple other things are on that list. There are a couple of good guidebooks for AZ whitewater out there that give a pretty good overview and might have some basic maps. One by Tyler Williams includes both flat water (lakes and slow-flowing streams) and whitewater. There's another one by Evan Stafford that encompasses most of the American Rocky Mountains, and is a very detailed and large tome. Good luck and paddle safe!!
 
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agavelvr

Guest
agavelvr,

Thanks for the great information. It sounds like I might want to find someone with experience to join us. I have the option of doing it in a 9ft or 15ft inflatable. I will have to check out the Verde.

TexGX

no problem,
Here's the verde river map we used on our trip....
http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/prescott/recreation/ROG/Verde Guide 52406.pdf

Flow rates this time of year are a function of accumulated snow and temperature. When I got back from our trip, I looked at the the gaging station and saw that we had the following flows during our trip...
date cfs
3/24 250
3/25 325
3/26 450
3/27 400
3/28 400
Those were probably ideal conditions by most people's standards, though it was a little shallow in some places.
here's a link for the station.
http://waterdata.usgs.gov/az/nwis/uv?site_no=09506000

Here's a canoe race held on the verde. Check out the historic flow rates to get an idea of how variable the flow rates can be :)
http://www.prm.nau.edu/prm325/verde-river-canoe-challenge-11-active.htm

+1 on Paddling Arizona by Tyler Williams. It is a great book if you plan on making multiple trips out here, as it outlines just about any place worth putting in at.
 

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