Small Toy Hauler?

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
Wife and I are on year 5 with our R-Pod 179 Hood River Edition trailer. Overall it's been a very good trailer for us. It's our first "full featured" trailer (i.e the first one that has an inside bathroom!) and it's been a learning experience for us.

We camp a LOT considering that I still work full time. Last year we took 16 camping trips, mostly in Colorado but also went out of state to Red River, NM, Medicine Lodge, KS and Custer State Park, SD.

After our crazy year of camping we decided to "pare back" our trips but we are still scheduled for at least 9 trips between now and October.

Anyway, as much as we like the Pod, we are starting to think the size and configuration are a bit limiting for us. Also, getting older we have new "challenges" that we have to consider. We like to carry a lot of "stuff" with us when we camp (kayaks, bicycles, etc) and so I've started casually looking around to what we might like to "upgrade" to, especially given that I will be fully retired in less than 2 years and we hope to be able to travel for longer periods of time.

Requirement no. 1 for me is that I don't want to have to upgrade my tow vehicle. Currently towing with a 2018 F-150, 3.5 EB with the towing package. Now, the specs will say it's "Rated" to pull 9,000 or 10,000lbs or some such nonsense, but I take that with a grain of salt: IMO if you're pulling that much weight, you need a 3/4 or 1 ton truck, I don't care what the manufacturer says.

I also note that when they say you "can" tow, say, 9,000lbs they probably mean "you can tow 9,000lbs on a flat midwestern road at 400' above sea level" and not "you can tow 9,000lbs through Eisenhower Tunnel climbing from 6,000' to 11,000' above sea level on a regular basis." And seeing as how we live in Colorado, we go over a 10,500'+ pass pretty much every time we go camping.

My personal desire is that I'd like to stay under 5,000lbs loaded (that includes water and cargo.) That gives us a nice margin of safety. Shopping around, I was quite surprised to find that there is a new crop of small toy hauler trailers on the market. I had always thought of toy haulers as big, heavy trailers and crossed them off the list.

There are a number of things I like about the toy hauler design. With the rear "garage" and typically a fold-up couch in the cargo area, loading the trailer would be a breeze. Currently we have to carry everything into the trailer and then make an abrupt 90 turn to put stuff in. Also the "hallway" is pretty narrow, so putting stuff on the floor makes it difficult to move around.

Biggest hassle are the electric bikes. We got Lectric folding E-bikes in 2020 and while we like them, they are heavy, cumbersome pigs to haul. They weigh around 65lbs each and while we have tried carrying them in the trailer, it was too much hassle so instead we carry them in the back of the truck. They take up a huge amount of space and hoisting them up from the ground is about the least fun thing I do on each trip.

With a toy-hauler, we could ditch the folding bikes and get real, full sized E-bikes and just roll them into the "garage" and strap them down. It would also make it possible for me to bring a small dual sport motorcycle on some of our trips, which I've wanted to do for a while.

They seem to be well equipped and often come ready for solar power. I've also noticed that many trailers nowadays have ditched the old propane/electric absorption fridge and gone to a straight 12v electric compressor fridge. In terms of simplicity, I kind of like that idea (the 3 way absorption fridge in our Pod works fine, but I'm always dreading the moment when some component might fail when we're on the road.)

So I'm posting this up to see if anyone here has one of these newer toy hauler trailers? And if so, how does it work for you?

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Obsessed2findARuggedHybid

Well-known member
Wife and I are on year 5 with our R-Pod 179 Hood River Edition trailer. Overall it's been a very good trailer for us. It's our first "full featured" trailer (i.e the first one that has an inside bathroom!) and it's been a learning experience for us.

We camp a LOT considering that I still work full time. Last year we took 16 camping trips, mostly in Colorado but also went out of state to Red River, NM, Medicine Lodge, KS and Custer State Park, SD.

After our crazy year of camping we decided to "pare back" our trips but we are still scheduled for at least 9 trips between now and October.

Anyway, as much as we like the Pod, we are starting to think the size and configuration are a bit limiting for us. Also, getting older we have new "challenges" that we have to consider. We like to carry a lot of "stuff" with us when we camp (kayaks, bicycles, etc) and so I've started casually looking around to what we might like to "upgrade" to, especially given that I will be fully retired in less than 2 years and we hope to be able to travel for longer periods of time.

Requirement no. 1 for me is that I don't want to have to upgrade my tow vehicle. Currently towing with a 2018 F-150, 3.5 EB with the towing package. Now, the specs will say it's "Rated" to pull 9,000 or 10,000lbs or some such nonsense, but I take that with a grain of salt: IMO if you're pulling that much weight, you need a 3/4 or 1 ton truck, I don't care what the manufacturer says.

I also note that when they say you "can" tow, say, 9,000lbs they probably mean "you can tow 9,000lbs on a flat midwestern road at 400' above sea level" and not "you can tow 9,000lbs through Eisenhower Tunnel climbing from 6,000' to 11,000' above sea level on a regular basis." And seeing as how we live in Colorado, we go over a 10,500'+ pass pretty much every time we go camping.

My personal desire is that I'd like to stay under 5,000lbs loaded (that includes water and cargo.) That gives us a nice margin of safety. Shopping around, I was quite surprised to find that there is a new crop of small toy hauler trailers on the market. I had always thought of toy haulers as big, heavy trailers and crossed them off the list.

There are a number of things I like about the toy hauler design. With the rear "garage" and typically a fold-up couch in the cargo area, loading the trailer would be a breeze. Currently we have to carry everything into the trailer and then make an abrupt 90 turn to put stuff in. Also the "hallway" is pretty narrow, so putting stuff on the floor makes it difficult to move around.

Biggest hassle are the electric bikes. We got Lectric folding E-bikes in 2020 and while we like them, they are heavy, cumbersome pigs to haul. They weigh around 65lbs each and while we have tried carrying them in the trailer, it was too much hassle so instead we carry them in the back of the truck. They take up a huge amount of space and hoisting them up from the ground is about the least fun thing I do on each trip.

With a toy-hauler, we could ditch the folding bikes and get real, full sized E-bikes and just roll them into the "garage" and strap them down. It would also make it possible for me to bring a small dual sport motorcycle on some of our trips, which I've wanted to do for a while.

They seem to be well equipped and often come ready for solar power. I've also noticed that many trailers nowadays have ditched the old propane/electric absorption fridge and gone to a straight 12v electric compressor fridge. In terms of simplicity, I kind of like that idea (the 3 way absorption fridge in our Pod works fine, but I'm always dreading the moment when some component might fail when we're on the road.)

So I'm posting this up to see if anyone here has one of these newer toy hauler trailers? And if so, how does it work for you?

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RKS has a new toyhauler M19HD but at 4,100 dry it is way over your 5,000 lb limit. For some lame ass reason they are not realesing the single axel M19 until who know when or if ever. It would be perfect. They are very expensive but are equipped like no other.

I ordered a Trail Marker Up and Out with Wetbath. It is only a 6'10" wide 12 foot box and is more rustic and does not have an RV build like your Rpod. Not much cabinetry but you can spec them out like I did which will be awesome. GVW 3,500 pounds. Lead time 12mo and they start taking orders June 2022. Vert reasonable in cost even with the 2023 increase. Mine will have ramp door with HD stab jack for deck mode to give you more foot print. Cool screen-wall for leaving it in deck mode when your not in bear country.

There are several Elkhart built toyhauler but they are not off road trailers.

AntiShanty is another small light weight toyhauler but pricy and more like my Trail Marker.
 

Todd780

OverCamper
Wife and I are on year 5 with our R-Pod 179 Hood River Edition trailer. Overall it's been a very good trailer for us. It's our first "full featured" trailer (i.e the first one that has an inside bathroom!) and it's been a learning experience for us.

We camp a LOT considering that I still work full time. Last year we took 16 camping trips, mostly in Colorado but also went out of state to Red River, NM, Medicine Lodge, KS and Custer State Park, SD.

After our crazy year of camping we decided to "pare back" our trips but we are still scheduled for at least 9 trips between now and October.

Anyway, as much as we like the Pod, we are starting to think the size and configuration are a bit limiting for us. Also, getting older we have new "challenges" that we have to consider. We like to carry a lot of "stuff" with us when we camp (kayaks, bicycles, etc) and so I've started casually looking around to what we might like to "upgrade" to, especially given that I will be fully retired in less than 2 years and we hope to be able to travel for longer periods of time.

Requirement no. 1 for me is that I don't want to have to upgrade my tow vehicle. Currently towing with a 2018 F-150, 3.5 EB with the towing package. Now, the specs will say it's "Rated" to pull 9,000 or 10,000lbs or some such nonsense, but I take that with a grain of salt: IMO if you're pulling that much weight, you need a 3/4 or 1 ton truck, I don't care what the manufacturer says.

I also note that when they say you "can" tow, say, 9,000lbs they probably mean "you can tow 9,000lbs on a flat midwestern road at 400' above sea level" and not "you can tow 9,000lbs through Eisenhower Tunnel climbing from 6,000' to 11,000' above sea level on a regular basis." And seeing as how we live in Colorado, we go over a 10,500'+ pass pretty much every time we go camping.

My personal desire is that I'd like to stay under 5,000lbs loaded (that includes water and cargo.) That gives us a nice margin of safety. Shopping around, I was quite surprised to find that there is a new crop of small toy hauler trailers on the market. I had always thought of toy haulers as big, heavy trailers and crossed them off the list.

There are a number of things I like about the toy hauler design. With the rear "garage" and typically a fold-up couch in the cargo area, loading the trailer would be a breeze. Currently we have to carry everything into the trailer and then make an abrupt 90 turn to put stuff in. Also the "hallway" is pretty narrow, so putting stuff on the floor makes it difficult to move around.

Biggest hassle are the electric bikes. We got Lectric folding E-bikes in 2020 and while we like them, they are heavy, cumbersome pigs to haul. They weigh around 65lbs each and while we have tried carrying them in the trailer, it was too much hassle so instead we carry them in the back of the truck. They take up a huge amount of space and hoisting them up from the ground is about the least fun thing I do on each trip.

With a toy-hauler, we could ditch the folding bikes and get real, full sized E-bikes and just roll them into the "garage" and strap them down. It would also make it possible for me to bring a small dual sport motorcycle on some of our trips, which I've wanted to do for a while.

They seem to be well equipped and often come ready for solar power. I've also noticed that many trailers nowadays have ditched the old propane/electric absorption fridge and gone to a straight 12v electric compressor fridge. In terms of simplicity, I kind of like that idea (the 3 way absorption fridge in our Pod works fine, but I'm always dreading the moment when some component might fail when we're on the road.)

So I'm posting this up to see if anyone here has one of these newer toy hauler trailers? And if so, how does it work for you?

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All very good points. Agreed on those tow ratings. Mine is rated for 10,900 lbs. Pulling our 5,500 lbs trailer, I can feel it. Can't imagine getting any where near 10,000 lbs! Plus, I'm sure I'd be over payload by that point anyway. Toy haulers are very intriguing.... Calling @calicamper as I believe he has been doing a research on them as well.
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
I ordered a Trail Marker Up and Out with Wetbath. It is only a 6'10" wide 12 foot box and is more rustic and does not have an RV build like your Rpod. Not much cabinetry but you can spec them out like I did which will be awesome. GVW 3,500 pounds. Lead time 12mo and they start taking orders June 2022. Vert reasonable in cost even with the 2023 increase. Mine will have ramp door with HD stab jack for deck mode to give you more foot print. Cool screen-wall for leaving it in deck mode when your not in bear country.

I'm sure I'll come across more as I have really only begun to search.

I don't think a 12' box would work for us though. Once I retire we plan on going on trips that could last potentially for a couple of months. We'll need a little more "living space" than that. As it is, we barely have enough in our R-Pod (of course it's not helped by the fact that my wife likes to bring lots of extra stuff: Decorations, crafts, extra clothes, etc etc.)

But for me just getting the folding bikes out of my truck would be a complete game changer in terms of storage. We already got rid of 1 of our 2 rigid kayaks. Wife went to an inflatable and I still have my cheap plastic kayak (which is light enough for me to throw on the roof.)
 

calicamper

Expedition Leader
Wife and I are on year 5 with our R-Pod 179 Hood River Edition trailer. Overall it's been a very good trailer for us. It's our first "full featured" trailer (i.e the first one that has an inside bathroom!) and it's been a learning experience for us.

We camp a LOT considering that I still work full time. Last year we took 16 camping trips, mostly in Colorado but also went out of state to Red River, NM, Medicine Lodge, KS and Custer State Park, SD.

After our crazy year of camping we decided to "pare back" our trips but we are still scheduled for at least 9 trips between now and October.

Anyway, as much as we like the Pod, we are starting to think the size and configuration are a bit limiting for us. Also, getting older we have new "challenges" that we have to consider. We like to carry a lot of "stuff" with us when we camp (kayaks, bicycles, etc) and so I've started casually looking around to what we might like to "upgrade" to, especially given that I will be fully retired in less than 2 years and we hope to be able to travel for longer periods of time.

Requirement no. 1 for me is that I don't want to have to upgrade my tow vehicle. Currently towing with a 2018 F-150, 3.5 EB with the towing package. Now, the specs will say it's "Rated" to pull 9,000 or 10,000lbs or some such nonsense, but I take that with a grain of salt: IMO if you're pulling that much weight, you need a 3/4 or 1 ton truck, I don't care what the manufacturer says.

I also note that when they say you "can" tow, say, 9,000lbs they probably mean "you can tow 9,000lbs on a flat midwestern road at 400' above sea level" and not "you can tow 9,000lbs through Eisenhower Tunnel climbing from 6,000' to 11,000' above sea level on a regular basis." And seeing as how we live in Colorado, we go over a 10,500'+ pass pretty much every time we go camping.

My personal desire is that I'd like to stay under 5,000lbs loaded (that includes water and cargo.) That gives us a nice margin of safety. Shopping around, I was quite surprised to find that there is a new crop of small toy hauler trailers on the market. I had always thought of toy haulers as big, heavy trailers and crossed them off the list.

There are a number of things I like about the toy hauler design. With the rear "garage" and typically a fold-up couch in the cargo area, loading the trailer would be a breeze. Currently we have to carry everything into the trailer and then make an abrupt 90 turn to put stuff in. Also the "hallway" is pretty narrow, so putting stuff on the floor makes it difficult to move around.

Biggest hassle are the electric bikes. We got Lectric folding E-bikes in 2020 and while we like them, they are heavy, cumbersome pigs to haul. They weigh around 65lbs each and while we have tried carrying them in the trailer, it was too much hassle so instead we carry them in the back of the truck. They take up a huge amount of space and hoisting them up from the ground is about the least fun thing I do on each trip.

With a toy-hauler, we could ditch the folding bikes and get real, full sized E-bikes and just roll them into the "garage" and strap them down. It would also make it possible for me to bring a small dual sport motorcycle on some of our trips, which I've wanted to do for a while.

They seem to be well equipped and often come ready for solar power. I've also noticed that many trailers nowadays have ditched the old propane/electric absorption fridge and gone to a straight 12v electric compressor fridge. In terms of simplicity, I kind of like that idea (the 3 way absorption fridge in our Pod works fine, but I'm always dreading the moment when some component might fail when we're on the road.)

So I'm posting this up to see if anyone here has one of these newer toy hauler trailers? And if so, how does it work for you?

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Similar situation only super active family of 4 with bikes, boats / stuff that also likes camping vs RV parking lots.

The small Toy hauler is new its more of a Hybrid vs a full on “toy hauler” to your big heavy rolling warehouse point.

There are two types currently trending a resr lift hatch style which are more RV trailer than cargo capacity style. The there are the small Toy haulers with ramp and more gear capability.

My top ramp choice thats 1 on my shopping list is the Geo pro/E Pro 19FBTH. They get an adjustable air ride axle system which is important for gesr weight vs ride height/quality. Great / smart idea.

They are all welded Aluminum sides and roof!

Most definitely the best option in the mass produced trailer choices. KZ makes the lifting hatch all aluminum frame walls / roof but the rear storage is compromised greatly with more focus on furniture vs gear space?
 
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calicamper

Expedition Leader
Wolf Pup is wood stick staple built walls and roof. Just fyi

Think of the Wolf pup 19 as the $15,000 cheapest built toy hauler and the Geo Pro as the $18,000 toy hauler step up?

Rpod is staple wood frame built but one step worse non walkable roof structure. Vs wolf pup is a walkable roof. ?
Rumor has it Geo Pro is looking at moving to a composite floor material vs plywood. If your not in a rush might be worth looking into.

For my shopping this fall / winter is likely when I buy unless we sort out Europe travel plans for next yr. Which case I’ll shoot for fall winter 2023-24 which case composite floor is likely a better deal vs used or old unsold prior wood floor generation stuff?
 
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Obsessed2findARuggedHybid

Well-known member
Sounds like you are definitely in the Elkhart built trailer lane for sure. So much less money. I would not go this route as I do not have the time or skill to be constantly upgrading everything. If you have been okay with ur rpod I would take Cali advice
 

calicamper

Expedition Leader
Sounds like you are definitely in the Elkhart built trailer lane for sure. So much less money. I would not go this route as I do not have the time or skill to be constantly upgrading everything. If you have been okay with ur rpod I would take Cali advice
Join the E Pro FB owners group. Many owners with 1000’s of miles long trips that once they sorted out the loose and poorly connected stuff have had very little issues.
Personally I’d be really happy with no stove top also. If I were to order? No oven/stove top! I would just use my $80 induction hot plate for the few random times I would ever cook inside. 2000-2500watt little duel fuel generator as an easy cheap backup power probably used more to charge batteries and run the coffee maker than anything lol
 

(none)

Adventurer
So i've had something a bit different for almost a year now. 17' Chinook Dream Hauler. Primary reason i went with this is the relatively light weight (5090lb GVWR) and that you can load a motorcycle (or bikes or whatever) and still have complete functionality of the camper without unloading them. All other toy haulers place the bikes/motorcycles right in the middle of the kitchen or couch area.

I did not find much information on them (still haven't) so i made a thread about mine on ADVrider. For reference, i've hauled bicycles routinely, a KTM 690 ENduro R (350ish lb dual sport) quite a few times (even with bicycles on either side of it) and the trip im currently on i brought along my '01 BMW R1150GS. The garage is a bit tight for strapping down everything, but totally doable.

Seems fairly well built for a stick frame (main downside in my eyes) camper. 6k axle, heavy duty frame, good insulation and quality, nice features (outside shower, good sized tanks, tank flushes for both tanks, etc).

link to my thread
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
Wolf Pup is wood stick staple built walls and roof. Just fyi

Think of the Wolf pup 19 as the $15,000 cheapest built toy hauler and the Geo Pro as the $18,000 toy hauler step up?

If you believe their brochure, the KZ Escape that I posted above those are also aluminum framed.

I sometimes go back and forth on the wood frame vs aluminum thing. I think there's a kind of an assumption that wood framing is somehow worse than aluminum, but almost all the old travel trailers (except Airstream) were wood framed and quite a few of them are still on the road.

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Todd780

OverCamper
If you believe their brochure, the KZ Escape that I posted above those are also aluminum framed.

I sometimes go back and forth on the wood frame vs aluminum thing. I think there's a kind of an assumption that wood framing is somehow worse than aluminum, but almost all the old travel trailers (except Airstream) were wood framed and quite a few of them are still on the road.

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What I like about aluminum / adzel is that it also makes the trailers lighter. I've found to compensate for the added weight, some stick built offer fewer features, smaller tanks etc...

Someone here posted a link to a pretty good article comparing the two.... I'll see if I can find it.

Edit, found it @vintageracer posted it:
 
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