Sources of, and thoughts on, rugged laptops

Lynn

Expedition Leader
I thought it might be good to have a compilation of sources of rugged portable and mobile computers. These are the ones of which I am aware (listed alphabetically, no preference intended); please feel free to add to the list:

cyberchron
Dell
General Dynamics / Itronix
LXE
Panasonic
Stealth
Xplore

And now, for something completely different... It's...

A few of my thoughts and findings, some of which have an overly-anal granularity that most overlanders wouldn’t care about: ;) All in my humble opinion, of course, and based solely on my perspective:

1) MIL_STD 810F is the US Military standard for rugged electronics, and has become a commercial and marketing standard, as well. However, you should be aware that 810F is a general document that must be tailored for each device, and for the environment in which it is intended to be used. The result is that two similar devices, both advertised to meet 810F, may be considerably different.

For example, one manufacturer could design its product for a temperate environment, and another manufacturer design a similar product for an extreme environment. Both products could be marketed as ‘conforming to 810F,’ yet they could be drastically different.

Unfortunately, getting the details from the manufacturer is sometimes difficult, and understanding Military Standards is nearly impossible. You can download the 800+ page .pdf copies of 810F (and the draft of the ‘G’ revision) if you really want to, but for the vast majority of us it would be sufficient to get the manufacturer’s specifications (like operating temperature, for instance) for the products we're considering, and critically compare them to the most extreme environmental conditions we can expect to see.

Also, be aware that the marketing term ‘designed to meet 810F’ does not mean the same thing as ‘tested to 810F.’ Better yet would be a product ‘independently tested to meet or exceed 810F.’

2) AFIK, off the shelf, all the rugged laptops are only rated milspec with the I/O doors closed. And you can't close the doors with I/O cables plugged in, so if you connect anything other than the power cord, you risk compromising the integrity of the housing to some degree. Custom solutions are available, but that’s probably only viable if you are ordering hundreds of units…

As an example, where I used to work we needed a laptop to pass MIL_STD 810F testing, including Wave Splash, with an Ethernet cable attached. We ended up drilling a hole in the I/O door, installing a ‘thru hull’ fitting, and permanently attaching a pigtail that was terminated in a waterproof inline RJ-45 connector. IIRC the connector we used was made by Amphenol.

Now I realize that most overlanders aren’t worried about waves coming over the bow and drenching the laptop, but probably should concern themselves with how much dust could potentially enter the housing when desired accessories (GPSr, monitor, speakers, etc.) are plugged in.

3) Major computer manufacturers that also do rugged versions (Dell, Panasonic) probably have better technology available earlier than custom houses (Stealth, Xplore), since they can design the ruggedized version concurrent with the next generation of non-rugged one. Traditionally, ruggedized laptops were a redesign of a market product, and lagged the non-ruggedized version by a generation or so. This is changing since an 'obsolete' laptop is hard to sell...

Just to illustrate, several years ago the company I worked for was using some Itronix laptops that were fairly obsolete before they ever came to market. That may have changed since Itronix became a part of General Dynamics, but GD isn’t really in the computer business, so I’m not sure that’s a major advantage. I know that one of Dell’s marketing claims is that the ruggedized version is available concurrent with the non-ruggedized version, so that businesses only have one ‘platform’ to support. Panasonic probably does the same thing.
 

Green Ganesha

Adventurer
Lynn said:
...several years ago the company I worked for was using some Itronix laptops that were fairly obsolete before they ever came to market.
True, but in my experience, vehicle-based applications (moving map software, engine diagnostics, etc.) aren't especially taxing. So a not-quite-cutting-edge platform may be perfectly adequate. I've been very happy with an old Itronix XC-6250 Pro that I picked up on eBay. It's designed to MIL STD 810F, has a touchscreen, illuminated keyboard, vibration-damped hard drive, rubberized magnesium-alloy chassis, etc. And prices just keep dropping. Right now, you can pick one of these up for less than $100! And for a machine that can withstand stuff like "rain at 4 inches/hour at 40 psi for 40 minutes per axis for all axes" and "54 repeated 1-meter drops on all surfaces, edges, and corners with the display open and closed" and "vibration of .04g²/Hz over 20-1000 Hz."

Lynn said:
AFIK, off the shelf, all the rugged laptops are only rated milspec with the I/O doors closed. And you can't close the doors with I/O cables plugged in, so if you connect anything other than the power cord, you risk compromising the integrity of the housing to some degree.
I think that's where the docking stations come in. The one I found for my Itronix is too huge and clunky to be practical (although my original dashboard mounting design actually did incorporate it), but kept everything sealed tight, and provided a CD-ROM drive.
 
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Lynn

Expedition Leader
Thanks, Green, for sharing another perspective.

I certainly fwouldn't disagree with anything you said.
 

1leglance

2007 Expedition Trophy Champion, Overland Certifie
I questioned the need for a mil-spec laptop in my use,,,,
If I drove an open rig like a Jeep or FJ40 maybe but I drive a FJ Cruiser where I don't have as much dust, hardy ever a chance of water and some vibration.

I have used a normal Dell for a few months, a Panasonci Toughbook for around 6 months, a Fujistu Lifebook for a few months and now a Toshiba U205 for quite a few months including the recent Continental Divide Expedition where it ran 12-14hrs a day non-stop for 23 days on over 5000 miles including 2700 miles of trails....
No issues and I love it!
I think it falls into the semi-rugged group and is a nice little machine.

The concerns I have and things I like...
Daylight visible screen
some kind of dust resisitance or easy to open the case to use compressed air
a illum keyboard is very nice
small footprint
lightwgt which helpd with mounts and vibration
 

lovetoski

Observer
Green Ganesha said:
...anot-quite-cutting-edge platform may be perfectly adequate. I've been very happy with an old Itronix XC-6250 Pro that I picked up on eBay. It's designed to MIL STD 810F, has a touchscreen, illuminated keyboard, vibration-damped hard drive, rubberized magnesium-alloy chassis, etc. And prices just keep dropping. Right now, you can pick one of these up for less than $100!

Ya, there are a bunch of these on ebay. Very affordable as you point out. Curious as to what OS and software you are running? Oh also, were you able to get the Itronix to recognize the gps puck? (and what model gps antenna did you use please.)
 

FurthurOnTheFly

Glamping Society
We run the Portable One SR2 in our FJ. It was an old laptop that Josh had just replaced so it was sitting around doing nothing. Since its a Mil Spec we figured it would get the job done and if something happened to it oh well, he'd gotten the use out of it anyway. This thing has been amazing so far. Dust, dirt, grime, bouncing around and it is still running like a champ. We can't seem to kill this thing.

Here is a review Josh did on it when he first got it 4 years ago: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=8115

Portable One is a company that sells other laptops along with their own brands. Their customer service for us has been outstanding, and if this thing ever dies I'd consider getting another. This is a good alternative to the Toughbook in my opinion. Here is there latest model: http://www.laptopsinc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=P1SR
 

dhackney

Expedition Leader
I investigated ruggedized laptops for our travels but ended up passing on them, mostly for the "already obsolete" and very high cost reasons previously stated. We have had good luck with non-ruggedized laptops.

I used two different Fujitsu P series laptops on our motorcycle world exploration in 2003-04. They were slow compared to a full size laptop but the compact size was outstanding, keyboard was very useable, battery life was good to great and they offered two spindles (hard drive and DVD burner) which was a requirment. They rode in my clothes soft bag strapped to the top of the pannier box. We experienced no failures or problems while traversing deserts (Africa and Middle East), mountains (Himalayas), rain forests, etc. They were exposed to very, very high temps, low temps, 100% humidity for extended periods, sandstorms, drops, high altitudes and the world's lowest altitudes, very high levels of G load and vibration, etc. Highly recommended.

We are currently using two Dell Latitude D620s. We've had them over two years and have had no hardware related failures. They currently ride in the cushy camper so are not exposed to anything harsh other than dust and high temps. They've held up very well to getting banged around in our general travels, including now. They are designed and built to take the abuse of corporate road warriors. For our purposes, their ruggedness makes the extra heft and size worthwhile. They were bought on the recommendation of my brother who was responsible for a fleet of them at the time and had good experiences with them. I have operated mine at over 12,500 feet and below sea level. They have been used in very high humidity in some of the world's wettest rain forests and the world's driest desert. They have sustained drops, high Gs and high vibration.

Upsides: rugged, reliable, reasonable performance, include Thinkpad type keyboard mouse pointer (requirement for me), decent keyboard, sustained corporate-market product design cycle ensures parts, accessories and support for extended time frame, robust secondary market for replacements, etc.

Downsides: heavy and big; lack media features; lack eSATA or Firewire I/O.

Recommended.​


Dell just announced the next generation of Latitudes, including a "semi-rugged" Latitude E6400 ATG model touted to "Meets strict MIL-STD 810F requirements for extreme temperatures, vibration, dust intrusion and altitude."

Details here: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop_latitude_atg_e6400?c=us&l=en&s=biz

Base model is $2,399

I have no experience with this new model, so cannot offer any review or comments.
 

KE5QVT

Observer
Ruggedized Laptop

I currently have a Panasoinc CF-74 toughbook. The 74's do not have a docking station that you can mount in a vehicle. I made my own docking station using 1/2" pipe and a piece of plywood. My ideal was to make a station that can swing between driver and passenger and not interfer with Airbags, Radios, and gear lever. I opted for an upright with a 90 to make it completely hoizontal. It does not interfer with any of the above but if I need to access something specific I can simply swing it over.

Toughbooks are great. I had one while on the ambulance run over by a brushhog. Although the laptop was trashed all the data was intact. While in Iraq with the Marines, all of our laptops were toughbooks.

I use mine while driving for navigation and of course end of day email and web surfing via my verizon card.

Attached is my mounting bracket
 

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