South America & Africa…w/ a 2 door Jeep

Hi ya'll, I'm new to Expedition Portal (new member but have been stalking this site for a while). My husband and I are planning on overlanding through Central & South America and Africa in 2015. We've been scouring the internet for people who have actually done this with a 2 door and have not had many luck. The Jeep has gone around the U.S. but obviously going international is a whole other beast. We know we've got lots of modifications and additions to make. Anyhow, if any of you guys (and gals) have internationally overlanded in a 2 door Jeep before how did you go about creating an interior system built for functionality and the limited space?

Here's a photo of our White Buffalo (we took it to Sequoia during winter of 2013 and the name stuck). Thanks again!
 

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Dan Grec

Expedition Leader
Hey Guys,

Like Septu said, I spent two years from Alaksa->argentina in a 2 door TJ, and I'm planning now for an extended lap of Africa in a 4 door JKUR.
My TJ was bone-stock and it performed flawlessly. I'm really happy I didn't have huge tires, a lift, blah, blah as saving to buy all of that would have delayed the trip many years and it was not needed.

For interior storage, I built a basic shelf that was locked with the tail gate, which was perfect in every way: http://theroadchoseme.com/jeep-tj-storage-box

Here's a list of everything I took: http://theroadchoseme.com/on-the-road

The Jeep never had a single mechanical issue.

What engine do you have in your JK? I'm determined to get a diesel in mine, somehow.

Let me know any specific questions you have.
You'll find http://wikioverland.org extremely useful for all your logistical questions for each country.

-Dan
 

rubicon91

Explorer
There is a couple I believe I found on here but maybe not. I have been reading so many central/south american adventures that I cannot keep track but they are called youmeandthedogs. They are traveling currently in a 2 door JK and I believe been on the road since last October or November. That is the only 2 door Jeep I have seen. I own a 4 door jeep and thought it would be cool to follow them as they traveled in a Jeep.
 
Hi Dan,

Thanks for sharing. I'll read through the info. It will definitely be helpful

We own 2012 2dr Jeep JK Sahara with 3.6L V6 Pentastar Engine. I wish they did sell a diesel here in the states.
One of our biggest challenges is fitting spares, camping gear, electronics, tools etc.
 
Me and wife got inspired by the stories people have shared in this forum, in blogs (unUrban and transworldexpedition), the series the long way round and Xoverland. We decided to finally have our own adventure. We currently own a 2dr Jeep Jk Sahara that we bought 2 years ago. At the time we were living off the coast of California. My daily commute would be off the 1 Highway. It made sense to get the jeep...take the roof off, the doors... it was fun. On occasion I would do some off-roading.

Looking back I wish I would have gotten a 4 dr jeep Rubicon with front and rear locking diffs, sway bar disconnect, 4.10 gears, etc. But there were pretty expensive and I didn't think I would use its full capabilities...so instead a 2dr jeep Sahara made sense; it was just me and wife 98% of the time in the jeep. Now with our dream to go down to South America are mulling over whether or not we should trade in our jeep for a larger vehicle like a Tacoma, xterra, JK Unlimited, tundra, used 100 series. But doing so would eat into our funds, or there would be some high depreciation cost. If it was a getting a used vehicle, I didn’t know the history of the car, and I didn’t want something breaking down on us. So we decided it was going to be with our 2dr Jeep. The car we first bought, the car we started with, the car I took care of

We are currently planning the route, and places we want to see. We are also looking at modifications to our Jeep. So below is what we’re looking at

The major considerations: Water, Food, Shelter, Support Equipment,

jeep list.JPG

As you can see it starts to get pretty expensive. Were trying to make use of what very little room we have. Im still researching the storage situation. I may need to build one myself to get the cost under control.
 

Mundo4x4Casa

West slope, N. Ser. Nev.
You are taking the trip I always wanted to take. Alas, time waits for no man, and @ 70 anos, it's too late. A lot of what you will attempt has to do with your chronological ages. When you are young, the crustier, the better. As you age, you go through stages of decomposition that direct you into the lane with more comfort for long distance foreign travel. If you have a good attitude, go for it.
We are not done yet, however, doing a 16 week, around the U.S. boundary states, clockwise, camping ON every beach that will permit it, trip in our TC and that will have to suffice. September 1st to New Years Day.
I do have some advice from someone who has driven over a million miles in vehicles with a low range.
1. Keep it simple. You don't need or really want all those add ons. Too much weight. The farther you get away from stock, the higher your likelihood of part failure. You may not even ever get into 4WD let alone low range. Sniff around Expo and read of those who have done very long, even years at a time, trips to Timbuctoo and back.
2. Take a small, lightweight off-road trailer along (maybe even with a RTT installed to keep you off the ground when the monsoons hit, assuming you are doing some camping). Go to the Expo trailer forum on here, simply the most inventive people around these parts. The longer you are out, the more you will appreciate some actual space for your stuff; like self recovery equipment. Back in the day, first two, then three, then four of us would travel and camp out in a Toyota FJ40 and later an FJ55. Things got a lot less stuffy when I started pulling a ConFer Toyota Jeep trailer behind with locking lids (and we added a tent boot to go over the tailgate hole). The Con Fer was pilfer-proof, bullet-proof, waterproof and would float when fording rivers. Eventually, after 12 four wheel drives, we settled on a truck camper for long expeditions to anywhere. What were those conveyances, you ask?
'49 Willys Ute Wagon; '66 Toy L.C. FJ40; '70 FJ55; '80 Scout turbo diesel Traveller; '82 Jeep Scrambler (CJ8); '73 Jeep J4000; '89 Jeep XJ; '90 Jeep XJ (I rolled it off a cliff in Telluride); '99 Jeep XJ; '01 Dodge 2500 CTD; '04 Nissan Murano SE/AWD; '11 Jeep Grand Cherokee; '08 Kioti 4WD, 3 cyl. 35HP diesel tractor. I had a '42, M100, WWII jeep trailer, a '67 VietNam era M-714 Jeep trailer, the '67 Con Fer Toyota jeep trailer, a '55 Bradley jeep trailer, a '65 homemade jeep trailer, a converted horse trailer to trash trailer we call 'White Trash' (because of the bears and no trash pickup) and a 14' car trailer.
A CBS (I think) producer went around the world in a small, sporty, AWD, MBenz towing a matching and locking fiberglass jeep-type trailer and it worked well for them. There is a write up somewhere on the net, and I think he wrote the obligatory book about his adventures. It was fascinating hearing of their experiences.
If I were to pick an appropriate rig for Sud Amerika, it would have to be a Toyota something, or a MB something, or a Japanese small truck of some kind. Why? Availability of parts and service, and it's what they drive there.
Failing that, I would pick the legendary Jeep WK Cherokee (1999-2004) with the simplest set up. You would have space and comfort, solid axles, fine drive system, plus reliability. Then again, you probably can make anything work if you are set on it.
Unless you are very recent backpackers that enjoy the challenge of no space and carrying everything on your back, you will enjoy some space.
It is assumed you will do a blog of your adventures, no?
regards, as always, jefe
 

UK4X4

Expedition Leader
AEV make some nice stuff, but expencive too

Bumper, just go with something simple that protects the radiator……heres a month of travel at 40usd per day
Rear bumper, ouch that’s expensive…..heres another aprox 42 days on the road…..

There are cheaper alternatives that can add to your trip kitty, or buy a welder for 400usd and build your own, borrow a friends or have a mate build you one.

the trip is'nt for good looks, its for experiences, you'll regret the bumper when you passing nazcar and can't afford the plane trip to actually see the lines !

Get a scepter ex military for 75usd
Pull pall leave it behind, every track and road in latin America either has tree’s tractors donkeys or trucks, one will come along soon enough
Winch yes
RTT, very practical for stop go cruising cooler in hot weather
Tent skirt – not really required…
Water tank- nice to have
Dual battery kits there’s cheaper alternatives out there
Batteries..good
Fridge, luxury but oh so nice to be able to have ice cold drinks and food that lasts, while your waiting for that pull out or part from the next village
 

Dan Grec

Expedition Leader
As you can see it starts to get pretty expensive. Were trying to make use of what very little room we have. Im still researching the storage situation. I may need to build one myself to get the cost under control.

I didn't have a single one of the things on your $8800 shopping list and I had the time of my life through Central and South America.
Actually, my entire Jeep was only $6,250.
Your stock 2 door JK is more than capable.

That being said, I'm certainly planning on some of it for 2 years around Africa, as I expect to be much more remote, and encounter much worse "roads".

Have fun!

-Dan
 

Septu

Explorer
As you can see it starts to get pretty expensive. Were trying to make use of what very little room we have. Im still researching the storage situation. I may need to build one myself to get the cost under control.

Is that a list of things you already have, or things you want? Also, how much travel will be on major roads, and how much will be off road (and I mean more than a meh dirt/gravel road)?

Because while some of that list would be nice... one really needs to determine "wants" vs "needs".

Edit,

You can add a winch (if you really feel you want/need one) to a stock bumper, or with a used bumper (lots of options for that down south). You can also add the AEV tire carrier (for the fuel caddy) to the stock rear bumper. Depending on the size of the fridge, and how remote you plan on going you may or may not need dual batteries. I've run my 25L waeco fridge for the last couple of summers (spring/summer/fall) on my stock battery - on my 07 JK, it was 4 yrs old. I haven't had any issues to date. I'm not sure how a larger fridge would work.

I can fully understand the RTT, and the rack that would have to go with it. Expensive... but after sleeping in one (got it last summer with my m101 trailer), I'd be hard pressed to do a major trip without it. Especially if you're going to more exotic locations where being off the ground would be really nice.

Depending on your plans, I could see the requirements in SA being quite different then what's needed in Africa.
 
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Espo78

Adventurer
I agree with the other posters. AEV is nice but not necessary. I built a steel front bumper for my Jeep under $100 and its already survived being backed into by an F150 with no damage. Sure its ugly but it gets the job done. No welding either.

The factory rear bumper is hollow and will hold approx 8 gallons of water if you plug a few holes on the bottom and add a fill hole up top. I wouldn't drink it though but its good for other things.

I would get a Gobi rack even though its pricey as it appears from my research to be the best made (and best looking/lowest profile) rack. I read a good thread on here by a guy named Omar that had a 2 door JK and one thing he had was gear that packed very small. Much more costly than your regular cheap camping gear but in a small space like a 2 door JK its worth the investment. I'll try to find the link.
 

Espo78

Adventurer
I did not realize in my previous post that you already have a rack on your Jeep. Oops.

As far as hauling fuel, have you considered JCR bumpers instead of AEV? Will save you around $500 and I personally think they look better (not that looks really matter of course ;) ) You will lose the water storage though unless you want to sacrifice some fuel storage for water with the rotopax.

http://www.jcroffroad.com/product/JKRTC/JKAC.html

A tailgate table would also be a nice addition if you plan on cooking and don't want to search for a suitable place to set up everything.
 
Thanks everyone for their feedback. I'll have to look at my route (paved roads, mud, rocks, very remote,etc) and see the type of terrain I'll encounter, and then again evaluate the critical gear I need.
 

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