Talk to me about full size Dodge and Ford trucks

I've been a GM guy my entire life. I'm looking for a new truck/SUV, and I have been looking at Toyota's and Lexus trucks and SUV's, the cost is making me second guess that idea. I've seen plenty of GM products make it over 225k miles without many problems. Will Dodge's and Fords from the last say 15 yrs make it that far also? Any particular years or items to avoid? Have the 6.0L diesel problems all been fixed? Another option I am looking at is getting a new Dodge 2500 crew cab short bed 4x4. I found a 2015 model marked down to $35k, and I found a 2015 Workman Power Wagon marked down to $41k. I'm not really sure I want to spend that much, but it may make the most scene. Used truck prices in So Cal at stupid.
 

verdesardog

Explorer
The Dodge Dakota I had before my CTD had over 270,000 miles on it and still going strong when I sold it for $2000...
The 06 2500 is a much nicer truck and gets the same fuel mileage as the Dakota got.
 

JHa6av8r

Adventurer
I bought my first truck in 2004 and then again in 2013. I've and mostly had Chevy and Nissan products but have had a couple of Fords, Dodges, and Toyotas. My first truck was the Titan and I did drive all 1/2 ton's available at time and liked it better and it did me well for the 9 years I had it. Needed a bigger truck and that leaves you with the Big 3. I drove all of them just to make sure. My Dodge experience wasn't the best with a Durango. You can call it a Ram, but I don't think Chrysler will ever make a very good product. I like the Ford but not enough to take me away from GM/Chevy. My 2013 is a Chevy 3500 HD and I have not complaints.
 

wanderer-rrorc

Explorer
2015 ecodiesel ram 1500 crew tradesman 4x4...12000 miles since august and love my 24-30mpg...tows great..drives great...SO glad I didnt waste money getting those economy fords that barely get 18mpg...
 

drewactual

Adventurer
No one will ever sell me on IFS on a 3/4+ pickup... it just doesn't make sense at all to me... then you put tires on them bigger/heavier than stock? SNAP... That said, if you're on the road more than 95% of the time and only go off road on tamed terra- well, those things sure ride nice and have all kinds of critter comforts...

Dodge- Ram, whatever.. they're solid, and a CTD is dang hard to beat. Address the hair brained emissions issues, and it is a SOLID truck. A '06 2500/3500 with common rail and lack weirdness of exhaust, is the most solid dodge made according to reports some years back- they had the less complaints of any of the big three, and I guarantee you most of them are still on the road or have a real good excuse why not...

Ford has the best cab room of the three... The 6.0 has too many issues, unless you want to bullet proof it (if it hasn't already been done)- the issue with finding a bullet proofed rig is chances are it's been ran HARD... the 6.4 is my favorite of the IH engines, but the 7.3 is right behind it. If you're looking for reliability, the 7.3 can't be beat (unless by a 5.9 CTD 12valve or the common rail from '05-'08...).. the 6.4 is a POWERHOUSE of an engine, that making reliable is also making silly power (up to a point, obviously)... I won't touch a scorpion (6.7), just my opinion..

Ford and Dodge have frames and axles meant for reality of a hard life... the ford 5r110w is as solid a transmission as any made... the dodge needs some help in auto, their manuals are rock solid... the ford, off the assembly line is better suited for what an overlander would want to do to it, in terms of wiring and options, but the same can be had by stepping up the options on a dodge, or aftermarket...

there is always a compromise and a tug of war, huh? :)
 

WeeJeep2

Adventurer
I've been shopping these two recently. Much better turning circle on the Ram at 44' vs. 51' for the Ford, (CrewCab with short bed) and you can get a manual transmission with the Ram. That's the way I'm headed, Ram 2500 with a CTD and a stick.
 

Jomax

Observer
No one will ever sell me on IFS on a 3/4+ pickup... it just doesn't make sense at all to me... then you put tires on them bigger/heavier than stock? SNAP... That said, if you're on the road more than 95% of the time and only go off road on tamed terra- well, those things sure ride nice and have all kinds of critter comforts...

Dodge- Ram, whatever.. they're solid, and a CTD is dang hard to beat. Address the hair brained emissions issues, and it is a SOLID truck. A '06 2500/3500 with common rail and lack weirdness of exhaust, is the most solid dodge made according to reports some years back- they had the less complaints of any of the big three, and I guarantee you most of them are still on the road or have a real good excuse why not...

Ford has the best cab room of the three... The 6.0 has too many issues, unless you want to bullet proof it (if it hasn't already been done)- the issue with finding a bullet proofed rig is chances are it's been ran HARD... the 6.4 is my favorite of the IH engines, but the 7.3 is right behind it. If you're looking for reliability, the 7.3 can't be beat (unless by a 5.9 CTD 12valve or the common rail from '05-'08...).. the 6.4 is a POWERHOUSE of an engine, that making reliable is also making silly power (up to a point, obviously)... I won't touch a scorpion (6.7), just my opinion..

Ford and Dodge have frames and axles meant for reality of a hard life... the ford 5r110w is as solid a transmission as any made... the dodge needs some help in auto, their manuals are rock solid... the ford, off the assembly line is better suited for what an overlander would want to do to it, in terms of wiring and options, but the same can be had by stepping up the options on a dodge, or aftermarket...

there is always a compromise and a tug of war, huh? :)

Funny you say that. The 6.4 isn't reliable, the 6.7 is way more reliable... It's up to par with the 7.3.

6.4s make power. But one small issue arises it usually becomes a big one..



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drewactual

Adventurer
the 6.4 is absolutely reliable, after some things (much more minor that bulletproofing a 6.0) are done. but yeah, the cascade effect is real, and usually revolves around fuel systems...
 

drewactual

Adventurer
the engines were designed before emissions were mandated... the emission equipment kill them...

they wash cylinders on the exhaust stroke to push raw diesel into the DPF where it is burned in effort to burn off collected soot- how much sense does that make? These systems aren't urea systems, mind you. The backpressure on the engine is intense- even outside of a regeneration process- it tulips valves, is hard on valvetrains, and it straight up wastes fuel... ever heard not to park on dry leaves? Yeah, you better never do that with these rigs while they are regenerating... The heat that comes from this is intense- like, north of 1k* during regular engine operation (not under heavy load)... the heat is fed back into the engine via the EGR.. the EGR coolers flash the coolant meant to cool them, dropping silicates and clogging oil coolers... they also rupture internally, and flood the cylinders breaking rods, blowing holes through pistons, or however else they are apt to break when hydro-locked... the crank case ventilation pushes excess pressure back into the intake, which is oil misted acidic blow by gasses, and on the 6.4 it is considerable.. It feeds straight into the turbo, which cokes (cajun crust anyone) on the turbo, creating imbalances and is hard on seals... it clogs intercoolers further increasing intake temperatures and reducing function.. it slaps to down pipes and creates hot spots that ultimately burn through... it reacts to boots, allowing them to leak... what is ingested by combustion is passed through to the catalytic converter and DPF, which reacts to the metals there, causing them to fail prematurely... even if you don't delete the DPF and EGR, for the love of all that's holy reroute the CCV through a filter and into the intake, or, vent it to atmosphere, like IH did on their own rigs with this engine.

so.. the deletes can be done in a matter of half an hour.. get a delete pipe and bolt it in, or better yet pull existing exhaust and slap on a 4 or 5" straight pipe... tune the EGR closed, or, either use block plates or totally remove the system. reroute the ccv to atmosphere. boom.. solid rig...

added mods to make it rock solid: flush ford gold and replace with CAT EC-1 ELC, and install a coolant filter to catch the casting sand remaining in the block... install more reliable and functional lift pump with more reliable pump motor, more filter area, greater water removing surface, and easier to change filters. Better air in- bigger better filter.. run only goof fuel, and after adding lubricity to it- ULSD is 'dry', meaning the same process that removes the S removes the lubricants, and your HPFP relies on that fuel not only for it's purpose, but also its cooling and lubricant.

in addition to these items, follow a maintenance schedule, and your 6.4 will last a long long time. the ONE thing that can't be addressed easily is the pistons.. Ford, in effort to address the increased cylinder pressures during regeneration, used a bowled piston- and by using one with a lip... those lips wear, and create hot spots, and split ultimately... it may be @ 500k miles, or it may be at 50k miles.... but it's likely to happen to all 6.4's.. IH didn't do this to their engines, and as a result they don't have this issue... it was another response to emissions... which is the problem with these things... if they could have squeaked through before the mandate, people would know just how bad ******** these things are- but them being the sacrificial lab rat for emissions, well, it killed them.. address those, and see for yourself what a jewel IH engineered.
 
the engines were designed before emissions were mandated... the emission equipment kill them...

they wash cylinders on the exhaust stroke to push raw diesel into the DPF where it is burned in effort to burn off collected soot- how much sense does that make? These systems aren't urea systems, mind you. The backpressure on the engine is intense- even outside of a regeneration process- it tulips valves, is hard on valvetrains, and it straight up wastes fuel... ever heard not to park on dry leaves? Yeah, you better never do that with these rigs while they are regenerating... The heat that comes from this is intense- like, north of 1k* during regular engine operation (not under heavy load)... the heat is fed back into the engine via the EGR.. the EGR coolers flash the coolant meant to cool them, dropping silicates and clogging oil coolers... they also rupture internally, and flood the cylinders breaking rods, blowing holes through pistons, or however else they are apt to break when hydro-locked... the crank case ventilation pushes excess pressure back into the intake, which is oil misted acidic blow by gasses, and on the 6.4 it is considerable.. It feeds straight into the turbo, which cokes (cajun crust anyone) on the turbo, creating imbalances and is hard on seals... it clogs intercoolers further increasing intake temperatures and reducing function.. it slaps to down pipes and creates hot spots that ultimately burn through... it reacts to boots, allowing them to leak... what is ingested by combustion is passed through to the catalytic converter and DPF, which reacts to the metals there, causing them to fail prematurely... even if you don't delete the DPF and EGR, for the love of all that's holy reroute the CCV through a filter and into the intake, or, vent it to atmosphere, like IH did on their own rigs with this engine.

so.. the deletes can be done in a matter of half an hour.. get a delete pipe and bolt it in, or better yet pull existing exhaust and slap on a 4 or 5" straight pipe... tune the EGR closed, or, either use block plates or totally remove the system. reroute the ccv to atmosphere. boom.. solid rig...

added mods to make it rock solid: flush ford gold and replace with CAT EC-1 ELC, and install a coolant filter to catch the casting sand remaining in the block... install more reliable and functional lift pump with more reliable pump motor, more filter area, greater water removing surface, and easier to change filters. Better air in- bigger better filter.. run only goof fuel, and after adding lubricity to it- ULSD is 'dry', meaning the same process that removes the S removes the lubricants, and your HPFP relies on that fuel not only for it's purpose, but also its cooling and lubricant.

in addition to these items, follow a maintenance schedule, and your 6.4 will last a long long time. the ONE thing that can't be addressed easily is the pistons.. Ford, in effort to address the increased cylinder pressures during regeneration, used a bowled piston- and by using one with a lip... those lips wear, and create hot spots, and split ultimately... it may be @ 500k miles, or it may be at 50k miles.... but it's likely to happen to all 6.4's.. IH didn't do this to their engines, and as a result they don't have this issue... it was another response to emissions... which is the problem with these things... if they could have squeaked through before the mandate, people would know just how bad ******** these things are- but them being the sacrificial lab rat for emissions, well, it killed them.. address those, and see for yourself what a jewel IH engineered.

I'm confused? The 6.4 is a HEMI gas motor, not a diesel.
 

drewactual

Adventurer
the 6.4PSD is a powerstroke diesel made by international harvester and put in 08-11 ford super duty trucks... the 6.4 hemi is a different animal altogether. :)
 

Regcabguy

Oil eater.
Ram still has the stiffest boxed hydroformed frame with a very compliant suspension. Carli and Thuren manufacture systems that mildly lift and enhance the factory.
Mine's been back once for an emission reflash in 9yrs this month. I still need to get the Takata airbag swapped out. The criticism of FCA is accurate. An '07 5.9 manufactured before 12-31-06 still has the relatively emissions free engine.
Steering parts are not adequate for the weight of the diesel but aftermarket fixes abound courtesy of Dynatrac,Carli,Synergy etc.
I must admit though a '15 QCSB 3500 w/Aisin auto is on the way when I win the Powerball. Dream on.
 

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