Tent Heater

Has anyone ever rigged up a heater for there roof top tent?

What is the best option?

Nathan

Oh, and by the way, I LOVE this site.

Nathan
 

Martyn

Supporting Sponsor, Overland Certified OC0018
Zodi made a nice heat exchange tent heater, but suddenly, they told us a week ago, they decided not to manufacture it.

After the initial disappointment I got an e mail from one of our customers who had contacted Zodi to express his own disappointment. Zodi told him they were designing a new tent heater and it would be available in the future.

Good alternatives, I'm looking for them, everything I have seen is much more expensive than the $149.00 Zodi unit.
 

gpwpat

Adventurer
zodi told me the same thing when I was looking for one, that a new design was in the works.

then suddenly on craigslist I found one. used once, half price. after looking at it it would be very easy to build yourself if you are crafty.
 

4RunAmok

Explorer
I suck at using Craigslist, wish I could find one, I'm the customer that Martyn speaks of. Very depressed to hear what Zodi told me.

I do happen to be crafty, so if I could spend twenty minutes with a hot vent, I'd have my own copy in no time.

The fan is available at any Bayliner/boat dealer. The hoses are available at Home Depot for your dryer vent. The $20 bbq from Walmart will provide the small propane can attachment/fuel line.

The only question would be the burner/heat transfer method they use and how to make my own, but of course for copyright, I'd have to have a 10% improvement in my design.

So who's going to send me detailed photos!?
 

Willman

Active member
heated blanket

I think i'm going to go with the heated blanket off my dual battery up in my RTT......Just need to do some math to see that it doesn't kill the battery.......Nice thing about my wifes blanket......It has a 3 hour switch which is nice.....

I have a propane tent heater for backup just in case......the co2 thing makes me wonder......That's why i'm going with the heated blanket thing.....gotta keep the wife and little one warm and safe!!!!!!

:elkgrin:
 

Lemsteraak

Adventurer
Nathan,

Sounds like you are looking for a cold weather solution. There are all kinds of ideas out there. The first solution is your tent, you want to go with passive solutions before you start with active systems like the Zodi heater. For example, no one can sleep with a Zodi heater on.

Winter tents are double walled and sometimes made with insulation. You want to limit the space inside the tent, more space, more to heat. A smaller tent works best for passive heat because of this. Next, look is at the base, this is where most your heat is lost. I had a designer from Canada tell me how he was going to build a rooftent with an alloy base for strength. Bad idea, he would kill people, he was designing a perfect heat sink. An insulated base is the first thing to look for. Second is your roof, you don't want it too high, if it is insulated to ward off condensation, bonus. A second side wall will work much better especially if you are in windy areas. I don't know if it is true but it seems like the higher you go the easier it is for wind to get through the fabric.

If you have a folding fabric tent it is more of a challenge but you can make these tents perform pretty well. I have been in many blizzards with this style of tent. First rule, a small one works better. You will want to insulate the ridge poles for condensation. You have probably noticed that the mattress you use doesn't seems so nice. Foam gets hard so you need more of it, memory foam is the worst in the cold. An ensolite pad helps or I've been using a special mesh under the foam that really works well. See if your manufacturer offers a "winter hood", they help in the wind. If I'm in really nasty conditions, I will hang a couple candle lanterns up in the ceiling if I'm using a tent with a high ridge. Yes, it isn't recommended i.e dangerous, I'm talking about real cold now.

Next thing is active systems. The Zodi heater is the best of the lot. It has shortcomings though, it has a lot of parts, really noisy and loses a lot of heat before it gets to you. I will use my Zodi to heat the tent while I'm reading and then shut it off to sleep, it is nice to know it is there if I really need it. I don't recommend a catalytic heater, almost had a friend die on a boat that was all buttoned up and he left his heater on. I just don't trust them, yes it is strictly a personal opinion and probably not backed up by fact. The other reason is that they emit CO2 and water vapor, both can be a problem, if there is too much CO2 and not enough oxygen, then the heater produces CO, carbon monoxide, very bad. The water vapor also isn't good, we design tents to breathe and let out the water vapor from people, you introduce more water vapor and you will get condensation. Dry is warm, wet is cold, condensation is bad and cold.

I have a lot of guys that go out in conditions that seem to me unbelievable. One fellow in particular goes out in 40 degrees below, he swears by a $20 12 volt electric blanket he got at Wall Mart, that fine expedition outfitter. I don't have a second battery so I've never tried it. Another customer, spent a winter in high elevation New Mexico setting up all the 911 maps to the outlying ranches. He swears by a 12 volt heated mattress pad. The best is we have an outdoor photographer, builds a bonfire and rolls a boulder in it. Once it is really hot, he rolls it onto a piece of plywood, cover with aluminum foil, and boost up into the tent. Says it works well in the Arctic, really, he films Polar Bears.

Hope this helps, I know I can get a little preachy but it is a safety thing. Rooftop tents really hit their stride in cold conditions. I go out in conditions that I would have never have gone out in without one. One time, I thought it was a little cold, but didn't realize how cold until I went to start my truck in the morning. Battery frozen solid, absolutely no power, had to warm it up to start the truck, then I was cold.

Rich @ AutoHome
www.AutoHomeUS.com
 

Martyn

Supporting Sponsor, Overland Certified OC0018
If you are going to fabricate your own heater please be very careful. Carbon Monoxide is very unforgiving.

If you do fabricate something please use a battery operated CO detector in your tent.
 

4RunAmok

Explorer
in a sealed heat transfer system, the heated air never touches the flame, therefore no CO can mix in, same principal as Zodi.

No different than the air passing through the heater coil in a vehicle, except it's flame heated instead of water heated. Just have to make sure it's perfectly sealed, so no gas sneaks in.

I'd much rather buy one, but alas, they're making that impossible.
 

evldave

Expedition Trophy Winner
4RunAmok said:
If you go with a blanket, check out these...

http://www.electrowarmth.com/fleet.php

Those are pretty expensive. I found some at wallyworld for $20 each. They draw about 3.5 amps and actually get too warm to sleep with unless it's brutally cold (I've used them down to around 15 degrees in the back of my suburban).

I've had 2 of them for around 5 years. They still both work just fine...probably one of the better $20 investments I've made :)
 

gpwpat

Adventurer
the burner is just a common cheap propane burner same style you can buy for about 12 bucks at walmart. copper pipe runs over the burner. the air runs through the copper tubes which are held in the sheet metal box. they stay in the metal box by flaring the copper tube. the airtight seal is made when the copper expands greater than the steel making it airtight. my zody when cold the copper can spin in the hole in the box. It is such a simple design. anybody with the means to cut sheet metal, and able to break it, and drill holes in it could duplicate it. onlything you would not have is the fancy travel box that holds it for use and storage when not in use.

It would be a fun project.

I do have to add that lots of heat is lost in the air tube when returning the hot air to your tent. it might be nice to take the 3" heater duct, wrap it in fiberglass, and slip that into 4" to make a insulated duct. but then again it would not pack up as nice.

also the fan is noisy. I think it would work best to put 4" return to the fan ouside the tent. let the fan reside in a insulated box then 3" out to the heat exchanger.

but then again you are not supose to sleep with the heater going. it is best to use the heater to make your tent cozy when you are hanging out in it.

let your bag, blankets, etc. keep you cozy while you sleep. I would hate to go to sleep all nice nad warm and not wake up.
 
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