The right cell phone for overlanding??

1leglance

2007 Expedition Trophy Champion, Overland Certifie
I am a Verizon customer here in Arizona and currently use a Treo with internet access.
I am a heavy internet user and like that I can connect my laptop to my phone. Tons of email and some media stuff. I was a heavy user of windows mobile applications as a nurse but not so much anymore, would be nice to have but not mission critical.

Now for the overlanding thing...I want a phone with great coverage, strong signal reception, durable, good battery life or changeable batteries....

So stay with Verizon and get something they have...not much looks good.
Or switch to another carrier and use the iphone or nokia E71 or something like that??????

All thoughts from users like me are welcome....
 

Pskhaat

2005 Expedition Trophy Champion
Lance, up until this last February I was also a Verizon customer on AMPS. You could not beat AMPS coverage anywhere, especially with my old bag phone. I could be in the most remote of Utah and have coverage; simply amazing. Of course with that premium service came expense that carriers did not want to maintain and AMPS is gone.

That said, I have been very much considering re-starting my old service (which wasn't a contract :) ) and getting the updated one on CDMA. With external antennas, your coverage will be greatly increased.
 

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cjmitchell5

Adventurer
So far as durability goes I'd have to say hands down the Verizone G'zone phones. Mine had been accidentally washed and dried and didn't even shut off.
 

gary in ohio

Explorer
Where you traveling, No phone is worth anything if there is no service.
Also be very careful, just because a carrier has cell service in an area, dont assume advanced features or data features in an area. Also make sure you zoom in on coverage maps. May maps look like full coverage at a US level but zooming in shows lots of holes. G3 coverage on t-mobile is almost non-existant except in a few major cities, forcing most users to grps or edge connectivity. Even Verzion (can you hear me now) with the network has entire states that have no 3g coverage. Most of nevada, much of western tx has no evdo and users are forced to the slower services.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
gary in ohio said:
Where you traveling, No phone is worth anything if there is no service.
Also be very careful, just because a carrier has cell service in an area, dont assume advanced features or data features in an area. Also make sure you zoom in on coverage maps. May maps look like full coverage at a US level but zooming in shows lots of holes. G3 coverage on t-mobile is almost non-existant except in a few major cities, forcing most users to grps or edge connectivity. Even Verzion (can you hear me now) with the network has entire states that have no 3g coverage. Most of nevada, much of western tx has no evdo and users are forced to the slower services.
We both used to have T-Mobile, their G3 coverage is currently only 16 cities. We both (and she still does) had Razr V3, the original ones and reception was pretty much OK where ever we went. But T-Mobile does not have an extensive network of their own towers and you end up roaming a lot. Like all of I-70 through Kansas is not T-Mobile, but you do get service. With the Android G1 I would expect them to step up the conversion to G3, otherwise what's the point.

I'm now back with AT&T and G3 coverage is OK. I had G3 service in Moab, at least in town, which is pretty cool. But I could not even get reliable Edge service at the 24 Hours venue around Behind The Rocks, on the south side of the Moab Rim. My buddies with Verizon and Blackberry phones had solid data service. I could make voice calls and get email, but accessing the web was futile. I think that's just a matter of where Verizon's tower happens to be and I'd bet that the opposite would be true some other place, no one is gonna have great coverage outside of Moab everywhere.

My current phone does not have a way to hook up an external antenna and that I would say is the main limiting factor to use as an 'overlanding' phone. Scott's AMPS phone is hand's down the best way to get coverage, but it's such an inefficient use of bandwidth and I don't blame cell companies for killing it off. I feel your best bet is a dual mode phone that can do CDMA and quad-band GSM along with having provision for at least an external antenna. I'm not aware of many FCC-legal phones that can do CDMA and GSM seamlessly, though. One was the Motorola A840, if you can find them. Honestly, a quad band GSM phone and an external antenna is about the best you're gonna do.
 

Lynn

Expedition Leader
FWIW, my wife and I recently switched from Verizon to AT&T and have better coverage / stronger signal strengths now*. Although we do seem to have slightly more unexplained dropped calls, I assume because of network overloading. Can't comment on data.

If you are talking about international overlanding, you might investigate using a quad-band GSM phone (AT&T or T-Mobile) and getting the phone unlocked. That way if you travel to another country you can simply buy a pre-paid SIM card and slap it in your phone for local (non-roaming) rates.

*My wife is a nurse, and in an unscientific study her and her co-workers with AT&T can use their phones in the hospital, while co-workers with other services can’t. I see better reception in my workplace now with AT&T than I did with Verizon.
 

Scott Brady

Founder
Most carriers have a world phone solution.

For me, the decision is easy. iPhone with the "wold traveler" package. I can talk from Mexico City to Marrakech. The coverage with ATT continues to improve, nearly daily.

The phone is also highly effective on the moto, as it has dozens of apps that are useful on a bike, like autorouting, a flashlight, a camera, bluetooth to the helmet for music and phone, etc.

My life would be much more tethered to an office without that cool little device.

But it is not perfect. Coverage is less than Verizon in remote areas and the battery life is just barely acceptable. There is no real tether option.

Because the iPhone is on ATT, I also have a Verizon aircard. I can nearly always communicate on one or the other.
 

cnynrat

Expedition Leader
Coverage is going to be highly dependent on where you live and where you expect to travel. We live in a cell coverage hole in the LA metropolis where Verizon is the only reasonable option, but obviously that will be different for you.

Jodi (my wife for those who don't know) uses a Verizon Blackberry (Pearl model IIRC). When we are travelling we like to use it to connect her Toughbook to the Internet - I think they call this mode "tethering". Since we don't use that particular service option all the time we don't want to pay for it continously. Verizon is very good about letting you turn that service on and off at will, so you only pay for it when needed. We will literally be driving down the highway and she will call their service center and minutes later we'll be online. Pretty cool.

We've had some interesting experiences with this setup. Earlier this summer we were up in Big Bear. We got my parents, who live in NJ, on a Skype video call and were sharing real time video of us wheeling in the So Cal mountains. Last weekend we were out in Anza Borrego and had Internet connectivity on the laptop in the campsite. It works great when you have coverage.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
expeditionswest said:
Most carriers have a world phone solution.

For me, the decision is easy. iPhone with the "wold traveler" package. I can talk from Mexico City to Marrakech. The coverage with ATT continues to improve, nearly daily.

The phone is also highly effective on the moto, as it has dozens of apps that are useful on a bike, like autorouting, a flashlight, a camera, bluetooth to the helmet for music and phone, etc.

My life would be much more tethered to an office without that cool little device.

But it is not perfect. Coverage is less than Verizon in remote areas and the battery life is just barely acceptable. There is no real tether option.

Because the iPhone is on ATT, I also have a Verizon aircard. I can nearly always communicate on one or the other.
If you jailbreak your iPhone you can tether it to a laptop. There's really no way that AT&T would know other than if you bang against that 'Unlimited' 5GB data limit. It's AT&T that doesn't want you tethering your phone, Apple could probably care less. But it's in your contract, the AT&T iPhone data plan does not allow tethering.

I think an iPhone with a region specific SIM makes a great traveling phone, but the reason I don't think the iPhone is an acceptable overlanding (or backcountry traveling) cell phone is that you can't attach an external antenna. That is a major mistake IMHO on Apple's part. Particularly with the 3G iPhone, having A-GPS and ability to actively track you with InstaMapper point to a phone that isn't just for the city and the way they had to squeeze antennas in is just marginal. The phone uses the trim ring around the face and camera as antennas, for example.

So far the only complaint with AT&T is that I think they were really surprised with the iPhone ramp up and their infrastructure is strained a lot because of it. I've had times when sitting with solid 3G coverage that it's barely faster than EDGE. Lunch time over in DTC (a big office park complex near where I work), for example.

BTW, I've been getting good battery life from mine lately for some reason. It'll hold a standby charge for a couple of days before the battery falls from full and with normal usage, email checks, a few calls a day, etc., I only need to charge every other day or 3. Even then, the battery is only down to ~35%. I think what made the biggest difference was turning off 3G during the day. Another option is to turn off Location Services if you're not using them. I think the assisted GPS engine on the iPhone is not good at power savings on 3G unless it has good strong signals. If you are on the fringe of one or more cells it's trying to use for location, then it just rails the power. I noticed my phone getting warm just sitting on my desk here, so I think one of the cells isn't close. With EDGE only the accuracy goes down, but it'll only pick the strongest cell. So it's a trade-off. If I turn on Wi-Fi and 3G, then let it locate outside with GPS, the accuracy is very close, under 29 feet. I think the phone then caches information based on Wi-Fi points. Because if after that I turn off 3G the location remains very close, around 55 feet accuracy. If I then also turn off Wi-Fi, the accuracy goes in the hopper, to about 1km with EDGE only, which is obviously the strongest cell it's getting. So with only EDGE and Wi-Fi I get good accuracy of places I've been and when I go outside and start moving, it seems to pick up it's location from the satellites, too. So unless I'm actually accessing the web, I generally leave 3G off, I find EDGE acceptable for just email and other low bandwidth stuff (I sometimes run InstaMapper just so my wife can watch my commute home).
 

1leglance

2007 Expedition Trophy Champion, Overland Certifie
Really good info....
There is a chance I will go to Europe next summer with my older son as a HS grad present...that would make a GSM phone a nice option and why I was looking at the "world phones".
However we all have to admit what "reality" is....and for me that is Southwest USA, out of town yet still wanting to get phone/email and net access when possible.

I have a Wilson cell booster w/ externa antenna that ins't direct connect but has a cradle the phone sits in...not real sure how much of a difference that makes. I have heard better things about Signal Reach and would like to look at other options.

During the time "in town" I am a heavy email/internet user so the unlimited option Verizon has is nice, of course Sprint was better/cheaper but coverage wasn't as good so we switched.

Thanks for all the info and keep it coming as I still haven't found a solution I really like.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
1leglance said:
Really good info....
There is a chance I will go to Europe next summer with my older son as a HS grad present...that would make a GSM phone a nice option and why I was looking at the "world phones".
FWIW, we originally signed up for T-Mobile because we got the chance to visit Germany when my sister and bro-in-law were there on an educational exchange program through Bosch. Any regular quad band GSM T-Mobile or AT&T phone can technically work anywhere. Ours were just plain old US-spec Moto V3 Razr phones and T-Mobile has an option to make your plan an international plan. No need to swap SIM cards or anything. With the iPhone and AT&T the phone is locked to the USA (not even Canada) and AT&T I guess is not as generous price-wise with their international plan. So people just get localized SIM cards. I was very pleased with the way our T-Mobile phones worked seamlessly in the USA and Germany (and Switzerland when it found a T-Mobile cell). But that's a unique situation to T-Mobile and while it would roam onto other networks (Vodafone, etc.), it would not have been free to make or rec a call. But within the T-Mobile network the minutes weren't differentiated as USA, German or otherwise. We drew from the pool of minutes regardless of the physical location and that was keen. Oh, the number stayed the same everywhere, so people in Germany had to dial country code, but while we were in Germany the calls themselves were local.
 
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James86004

Expedition Leader
I live in Tucson and travel up to Mt Graham every week. I am the lone Verizon user in my group, and I have the best coverage up on the mountain. I have a signal in most places on it, where the AT&T guys do not. They were surprised to see me talking on my phone inside our telescope.

I had a Motorola V710 that was an expensive phone 4 years ago. It was real rugged, and it was one of the last phones that could do analog. It got a usable signal in more places than my wife's Treo. Unfortunately, last weekend, my wife was using it when we were out in the hills northeast of Florence recovering our vehicle, since hers kept dropping calls. She must have left it sitting on a rock somewhere, because we can't find it. So, on Monday I went and got a Palm Centro. I tested it on Mt Graham yesterday and it works as well as the Motorola did, and it definitely works better than the Treo. Using the internet on my phone is a new thing - I don't know if being able to access ExPo on it is a good thing :D
 

Lynn

Expedition Leader
kellymoe said:
Sonim makes a extremely tough phone that would easily put up with the abuse of off roading but it lacks a camera which is not a deal breaker for me but may be for others.

http://www.sonimtech.com/features_xp1.html

That Sonim looks great, and there are some really entertaining videos on youtube touting it's ruggedness, but as GrimReaper informed me on a previous thread, it doesn't work on the 850 band, so not a good option in the US.
 

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