"Upgraded" audio and now my AM reception is terrible: 4th gen 4runner...

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
So I finally got around to installing the aftermarket head unit in my 2007 4runner. It's something I'd wanted to do for a while, since the factory unit is pretty basic (while it does have an audio input for an iPod, it does not have Bluetooth, nor a USB port, nor does it have RDS - Radio Data System - which most modern stereos have.)

I chose the Kenwood DPX500BT. I was going to get a unit with a touch screen and a backup camera, but ultimately I decided that wasn't something I 'needed' and the expense was too much.

I ordered it from Crutchfield, even though I have not installed a stereo in a car in years, because I'd heard so many good comments about how helpful they are in assisting people in installing their own stereos. Sure enough, I ran into a few difficulties but their excellent customer service reps talked me through it. So the head unit is installed and seems to work fine.

Except for one thing: AM reception is terrible. And by terrible I mean virtually non-existent. Even in the middle of the city I can barely get a powerful station that I sometimes listen to.

Now, FM seems to work very well and the other features work fine, too.

I understand the 4th gen has two "in-glass" antennas in the rear side windows, one is for AM and one is for FM. But I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to improve my AM reception. I don't listen to AM a lot when I'm at home, but when I'm traveling I like to at least have the capability because it's not unusual in the great expanses of the West to be outside of FM range (FM is Line-of-Sight, while AM is not and at night AM will bounce off the upper layer of the atmosphere and back to earth, allowing you to listen to AM broadcasts from hundreds of miles away if the atmospheric conditions are right.)

Because weather and news are often on AM, I consider it important to be able to at least "stay informed" by having some access to AM.

I've seen discussion on other boards basically saying that manufacturers are cutting corners on the AM receiver portion of a head unit, but I find that a little hard to believe - after all, it's not like it's difficult. I'm just wondering if there's something I did when hooking up the unit to compromise my AM capability.

There were two wires with plugs that plugged into the back of my factory head unit. One of them went to the AUX plug that is in the center console, the other one was (presumably) the antenna. I tried plugging both of them in but one of them was way too small to "lock" in, and I presumed that was the AUX cable. The other one fit snugly and I pressed it in as far as it would go.

The fact that I have FM seems to indicate to me that I have a good antenna connection, so I'm stumped. Any ideas? Anyone else have AM RX problems with an aftermarket head unit?

Thanks in advance! :ylsmoke:
 

Ramjet

Explorer
Hate to hear that Martin, I have a few AM stations that I like to listen too as well. The only thing that comes to mind would be that Aux connection. You might try taking it to a custom car stereo installer and see what they come up with. May only be a few extra dollars out of your pocket. Good luck.
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
Something just occurred to me...

As I said, there were two wires going into the back of the factory head unit. One was larger the other smaller but both similar configuration. I assumed that one of them was for the aux input, but since the 4runner has 2 antennas, I wonder if the other one was for the AM antenna? That would certainly account for my good FM reception and virtually nonexistent AM...

Dang! Guess I'll have to pull the dash apart again so I can test my hypothesis! Oh well, it will give me a chance to relocate the Bluetooth mike....

Good news is that I should be able to fix this with a "pigtail" that connects both antennas to the head unit.

Close up of the old head unit. See the two circular sockets on the left side? That's where the two wires went.

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Installed pic of the new stereo:

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njtacoma

Explorer
I don't drive in Denver everyday, but I would be at a loss without the "blowtorch" for traffic reports (except during Rockies games!).

Nothing really to add, but a story, of the opposite result. One day my '67 bug could only get a couple AM stations, and KBCO sporadically. I was at an absolute loss, until I looked at the stub of my antennae. Dang high school parking lots.

Does someone make a readymade pigtail for the antennae?
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
Well I THINK I have an answer...

...But I haven't had the time to check it out.

Called Crutchfield customer service on Saturday, what they said was that the power antenna wire needed to be connected. I pointed out that unlike my 3rd gen, the 4th gen doesn't have a motrized antenna mast (4th gen 4runners have in-glass antennas.) He pointed out that while the 4th gen doesn't have a motorized antenna, apparently it has some kind of power amplifier for the in-glass antenna. Bottom line, he said, connect the power antenna wire and it should be fine.

So now I guess I get to pull my dash apart again (not difficult, but a little time consuming and can be frustrating - the hard part isn't getting the dash apart, it's disconnecting and then reconnecting all the little wire connections.)

The good news is that I can move the bluetooth mic. Don't know what I was thinking when I put it up on the dash like that! I'll run it out to the side of the radio stack and put it on the steering column next to the scangauge where it will be out of sight.
 

Arclight

SAR guy
This happened with my wife's Forrester. When I installed a new radio for X-mas last year, we were at her folks house, which is about 2 miles from antennas on South Mountain in Phoenix. All of the radio stations came in fine. When we got back to SoCal, there was only one station she could get. In a nutshell, it was the same problem. I connected up the power antenna wire (which had some cryptic description like "amp" on the vehicle side) and everything got 100X better.


Arclight
 

olsen_karl

Adventurer
As I said, there were two wires going into the back of the factory head unit. One was larger the other smaller but both similar configuration. I assumed that one of them was for the aux input, but since the 4runner has 2 antennas, I wonder if the other one was for the AM antenna?

When you go to an aftermarket head unit in the 4th gen 4Runner, you lose the factory aux-in jack connection that is in the center console.

There are two antennas on the 4th Gen, one on each of the cargo area side glass. You do need to connect the power antenna line on the harness.

I didn't bother connecting both antennas on my aftermarket stereo; I just used the one that fit, and left the other hanging. I never listen to AM, but it seems to work OK in my
4Runner. I ran the bluetooth mic down through the back of the dash, under the steering column, and routed the wire up the driver's interior "A" pillar -- clipped the U-shaped bracket onto the top of the "A" pillar and have the mic mounted there.

Also, since you have a USB jack on the face of your stereo, you might want to pick up a small USB key for MP3s. We used one of these on my wife's Xterra's stereo, and it barely pokes out of the face of the stereo -- much less obtrusive compared to the full-size USB keys:
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Cruze...F8&qid=1368561987&sr=1-2&keywords=sandisk+usb
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
To those heaping disrespect on AM are clearly not in Denver/Boulder.

KVCU, The AM Revolution

http://www.radio1190.org

Denver radio sucks (there was once even a website dedicated to detailing just how badly it blows), but I do have one preset on my truck stereo.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
To the question at hand, I didn't think it was a matter of having two individual antennas but rather that the 4th gen 4Runner employed antenna diversity, which means it has two antennas and it selected the one with better reception. You might try using the other one as you may have selected the one that is either less sensitive or maybe just plain does not work on AM. Or if the antenna controller was a standalone box powered through the headunit, maybe you need to figure out a way to hack power to it.
 

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