Upgraded to AEV Springs....AWESOME!!

TheMike

Adventurer
Long post, sorry. Let me start out by saying that I am a firm believer in “you get what you pay for”. That’s especially true when it comes to specialized equipment like expeditionary gear such as trailers and vehicle upgrades. With that being said…..

I started out building my 06 LJ Rubicon for rock crawling. Over the last 3 years, since picking it up from the dealership, I have been modifying it to meet my every need. It all started out with the majority of the work being done right off (less than 300 miles on it and only a couple of weeks old) the bat. I have started moving more toward the expeditionary type of wheeling to include the family and often over a week or more of traveling. I much prefer to travel off-road and to be as self sufficient as I can. I state in my signature that I built my rig to that it wouldn’t be the limiting factor in wherever I wanted to go. This whole concept includes the ability of taking my Chaser anytime and anywhere.

My last trek was over 10 days into the backcountry of Utah (pics and such HERE). With the rig fully loaded and the Chaser in tow, I became more and more unhappy with the springs that were installed that came with my Rubicon Express 5.5” Extreme Duty long arm kit. They worked well for normal driving and under any road/trail condition but not in a heavy loaded configuration. On the trail the rear bottomed out way more than I liked and it sagged a bit more than I liked when fully loaded. If it was just sag then I probably wouldn’t have cared but combined with bottoming out too much meant a change of some sort.

I briefly considered additional airbag support like the AIRLIFT system but wasn’t convinced they would last over time off-road and if they would hinder and other performances of the suspension. I wanted to stay with my current ride height as it just works so well with the LJ and 35’s. I didn’t want to compromise on the ride quality and performance to get some help.

I thought about just replacing the springs. They are three years old. Maybe they are just tired. They’ve been used well (not to be confused with abused). RE springs are linear so you get the same rate from start to full compression. All lifted TJ’s get that famous banana shape in the rear springs when the Jeep gets lifted due to the rotation of the axle. I concluded that there is a portion of the spring usefulness that is used up immediately because it sits in a bent configuration. I don’t know if this is true but it makes sense to me.

That thought process brought me to the idea of doing a spring relocator in the rear to get the spring straight as it should be. That brought me to the AEV site and here is upgrade begins.

I have always been impressed with AEV and all they do. Like Adventure Trailers, these guys don’t do anything half assed. Purpose built components with top notch quality. They have a kit that straightens the rear spring. Easy to install and no welding or cutting. Cool! It’s called a TJ Rear Spring Relocator. This kit will provide an additional 1 5/8” of lift with no change in springs. All this just by making that banana shape straight? Ok then.

Since I didn’t want to get another 1.5"+ height, that meant I needed to change springs too. Bummer :D. If I went to a Rubicon Express 4.5” spring instead of my 5.5”, then I am staying just about the same height. Do I want to stay with the same bottoming out though? No. That meant a stiffer spring, or at least a progressive rate spring. A stiffer would just make it ride harder I think so a progressive rate is in order. Lo-and-behold, AEV has those too (this is looking good). Frequency-Tuned, progressive rate springs. They even sell one specifically for the heavier/longer unlimited TJ, commonly referred to as “B rated”.

So here’s what I came up with. Make it so that the entire spring cycle operates as the spring is designed – Spring relocator. Progressive rate spring to assist in the bottoming out (more umph as the spring compresses). Between the two, stay the same height, if possible.
The 4.5” spring PLUS the relocator would give me about what I had before in the rear - a tad more actually. I thought this was ok as some weight would get it down. Since it’s not recommended to mix spring types, I needed to do something for the front. The max spring AEV makes for the front is a 4.5”. I needed more so I decided to go the spacer route. Keeping the same height all the way around meant no bump stop or shock changes. This was a plus as I got shocks and their mounts installed specific to my rig and its compression cycle.

Stuff purchased from Dave at Northridge 4X4. Same cost as AEV but FREE SHIPING - $88 bucks saved. Saweet! Side note: The setup purchased is exactly what AEV installs on their 6" lift kit. Spacers and all.

After everything was installed, I gained a little over ¼” in the rear and nuts on in the front. Now for the long story, short:

I had no idea a stiffer/progressive rate spring would improve the ride so much. I mean totally different. Every aspect of the ride has been greatly improved. I went and did some trails yesterday and I just smiled like something was really wrong with me as I bounced along the trails. Sucking up every rock with easy. There was ZERO loss in any form with these springs and EVERYTHING to gain. I tried to specifically bottom it out via some speed and woop-d-doo’s but nothing. I could feel the spring compress but as it compressed is got firmer, as a progressive rate spring should. The rebound was just as impressive as everything settled down quickly and smoothly. FYI-I have Rubicon Express Mono-tube shocks all the way around, and have since day one.

I didn’t pull the trailer for this trial but I did load the Jeep up with about 500 lbs of gear and tools. It sat nice and level with no heavy butt feeling.
I have ZERO regret for the upgrades. $580 for all and it would have been worth it twice as much. That’s how much these AEV springs changed the performance over the RE springs. One thing I will never know is did the relocator add performance or just allow the spring to functions as designed. I guess that would be one in the same. I guess I should say that I don’t know if just going the AEV springs alone without the relocator would give the same results.

I have a 4 day outing planned next week with the family and Chaser. I am totally confident all will perform as demonstrated and expected when fully loaded. I will comment to that after we get back.
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TheMike

Adventurer
Well, after 4 days traveling over all kinds of terrain, all I can say is I have absolutely no regrets. The new springs with relocator did fill the ticket perfectly. I have nothing negative to say about the setup. I can definitely feel the progressiveness of the springs when previous bumps would have bottomed me out. It didn’t happen at all this trip where it definitely would have before.

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The picture shows the actual total weight of the setup as we hit the trails. Take myself and my daughter out of the equation and the rig weight is 7040lbs. I know my Jeep weighs 4950 so the trailer is coming in at 2090. I never claimed to be an efficient packer and I always seem to pack to the available space.

The entire rear 18" of the trailer is filled with a mix of pine and hard firewood. In the back of the Jeep there is about 250lbs (tools, spare parts, cooler etc) and the trailer is fully loaded to include water and fuel. It’s the normal configuration for our outings. I don’t know, but I guess the tongue weight is about 250-300lbs (it takes two men to lift it manually).

The Jeep sits a tad low in the rear (to be expected) but nothing to obvious. Definitely a huge improvement over the old RE springs. Every once in a while I get a flash from an oncoming car for my lights but all it takes is a flash back with all 6 of my front lights (none of which are stock bulbs) and it’s fine :) With the RE I would constantly get flashed.

The ride is perfect. The capacity is perfect. It’s all good now.
 
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TheMike

Adventurer
Good write-up, Mike! When are we gonna wheel together again?
You back stateside? When's your next wheeling trip planned? I got a week in Aug for something. Would prefer something high in elevation for cooler temps. You game? Any ideas?
 

nwoods

Expedition Leader
TheMike, thanks again for this write up. My LJ has had a saggy butt and would bottom out on the littlest bump ever since I bought it. I upfitted it with the AEV rear spring relocators and 4.5" progressive rate coils, and it's AWESOME!

I have a Currie 4.5" short arm kit, on 1" body lift. The origional Currie springs were too soft, so they were swapped with RE4.5" springs, but still had the bottoming out. Then went to 5.5" springs, which helped a little, but changed the wallowing from happening at 10mph to happening at 20mph. Not good. Now, with the corrected angle and progressive coils, I just finished the Rubicon Trail, heavily loaded, and had ZERO bottoming out issues. The suspension works awesome. Plenty of flex, but controlled damping and rebound. I am a happy camper.

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TheMike

Adventurer
Awesome! And you're welcome.

Now that I just did my springs, and have my Rubi completely dialed in and perfect, I'm moving onto a JK Rubi with all AEV stuff including the 5.7/6.1. I can't wait to sell mine and get going!!
 
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TCM

Adventurer, Overland Certified OC0006
Hi Mike. This is off topic to be sure, but is that scale you are on in the photo in the Boulder/Longmont area? I have been looking for a convenient place to weigh my LJ but have yet to find one. And yes the AEV springs are good stuff. I just mounted a set of the 3" coils as a replacement for OME LJ springs. As for your planned move into a JK. I completely understand. I keep holding out for a diesel motor from the factory but will likely be making the switch soon myself.
 

TheMike

Adventurer
... is that scale you are on in the photo in the Boulder/Longmont area? ... I keep holding out for a diesel motor from the factory but will likely be making the switch soon myself.
Yes it is. 2nd and Emery, behind Butterball. It's right next to the blue painted tower and building. The scales are Butterball's but as you can tell in the scale pic, it's wide open and fully functional 24/7.

If it wasn't for my hotrod days, I might be more interested in a diesel but I just can't get past the Hemi. It's always been a dream of mine and am loosing sleep over the planning and the soon execution. Know of anyone who wants a perfectly setup, overbuilt LJ Rubi? Good price for the 23k I got in it in just upgrades, accessories, and parts.
 
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