VHF/UHF Antennas - Front Bumper Mounts

AndrewP

Explorer
Regarding antennas, you might want to focus on the electrical characteristics. A friend got me to see the light on this. I'm not sure you'll be happy with a 1/4 wave antenna. A 5/8 wave will have improved gain. The Wilson Mag mount as I posted elsewhere is a 5/8 wave mag mount with decent gain. It's trail tested too by me and cheap.

I can see some logic to having a shorter antenna, and will demo out one of thse flexy rubber 1/4 waves at some point.

From what I have read, the worst place to put the antenna is on the bumper for the reasons listed here. A good lip mount will be more secure than a mag mount and you might want to consider that as you upgrade. I have one ready to install, but I'll take my mag mount along to Moab in case I damage my main antenna.

I'm virtually certain the spring idea is out. It isn't CB! The steel whip in a mag mount though, is pretty tough.

KI6CXS
 
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offroad_nomad

Adventurer
Thanks Andrew,
I went with a Genesis 3dB, 49 1/2", Base Load 5/8 wave antenna and a roof mag mount. I also picked up an external antenna to connect to my Uniden scanner out of curiosity to see if I get better reception.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
The best antenna is a 1/4 wavelength whip in the middle of your roof. There is no argument on that. Other good spots are flat spots, like trunks or even hoods (isolating from ignition noise is a problem there, though).

But, that is not always practical. I personally have about 8 inches between my roof and garage door header. I put my antennas on my ARB upright and get fine performance. My pattern is obviously heavily biased towards the back, but it works pretty well in that direction. Think about this, lots of motorcyclists use antennas on their bikes, which have very little chance of large flat metal places. Sometimes they use cargo boxes with sheets of metal, but still that is not great. So figure out the antennas they use and they are typically pretty decent for bumper mounts.

My mount is a 4" piece of aluminum that is held onto the round tube with clamps. That aluminum is grounded to my bumper with a piece of braid. The bumper itself is then grounded to the frame with 2 pieces of grounding braid (never rely on the bolts, the anti-seize and powdercoat pretty much eliminate any chance of conductivity). I also ran a heavy braid from the battery to the frame, along with ground straps from the hood to firewall and front fenders. I run a Comet Challenger C-767 dual band, which is a 1/2 wavelength center loaded on 2m. It is not an elevated feedpoint 1/2 wavelength (which is completely ground plane non-dependent), but it seems to be less reliant on the counterpoise none-the-less.

My point is this, a bumper mount can be acceptable, but you have to take the steps to ground everything in the front and still you are going to give up range (especially to the front). By grounding I mean RF, too, not just electrically (they are different). The compromise for me was OK. I had a roof mount CB antenna for a while, but it got to be a pain taking the whip off to park and it got knocked off a lot while on the trail. A hard mount would have helped that, but still it gets whacked a lot and that's not good for the whip either. So I decided to use the bumper and did all I could to make it work. I personally like having the 2 whips on the corners of the front of the bumper. I bump into less stuff when I park my truck now, they act like markers for me. FWIW, on 2m at 50W, I typically get around 45 miles range in mixed terrain with decent strength (enough to open a repeater and still be understandable, although not necessarily super clear). To the front I get around 30 miles with open terrain or good position, maybe 25 or so in mixed terrain. For me, the compromise is worth it, but I'm not a super ham hobbyist, just another way to communicate.
 
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k6uk

Adventurer
Good points on grounding, and the importance of minding the details when it comes to antenna installation. Thanks.

The best antenna is a 1/4 wavelength whip in the middle of your roof.

I'm not so sure I would agree - yes a central placement is the best placement, but 5/8s wave gives much better gain. But then, it is a lot longer of an antenna.



-Mike
K6UK
 

offroad_nomad

Adventurer
Dave,
If you get a chance, would you mind posting some pics of your bumper mount and the different grounding methods you describe? Thanks.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
k6uk said:
I'm not so sure I would agree - yes a central placement is the best placement, but 5/8s wave gives much better gain. But then, it is a lot longer of an antenna.

You are correct, there are ups and down when comparing 1/4 to 5/8. Keep in mind that antenna gain is not actual power gain, but really a focusing of energy when you compare your antenna to a 1/2 wavelength dipole.

The 5/8 antenna mounted straight up from your roof will get marginally longer range in the horizontal plane, but does slightly worse in the vertical. The 1/4 wavelength will have equally as much energy above you as in front or behind you. In open terrain you give up some with a 1/4, but that might be better if you are in a deep canyon and the other station is above you. In application on a flopping around truck whip it's probably not a big deal, as opposed to building a good mount, ground and feed.
 

cruiser guy

Explorer
Just to revive an old thread. I recently bought an Icom 706 multiband radio for my travels. This radio has two antenna feeds, one for HF and one for 2 meter and 70 cm.
I was going to use a mag mount on the roof for the 2 meter/70 cm antenna for the good ground plane and a bumper mount on the front for the HF.
My truck is a diesel so there is no ignition noise to be concerned with (I will NEVER be getting a gasser so that's no ever going to be an issue).
Is there an issue using the HF antenna on the front bumper? The bumper is a winch type bumper and has a relatively large horizontal surface, probably 12" or more from the front of the truck.
Any suggestions on the antennas to use? I plan on using an antenna tuner for the HF antenna. I assume that the radio can deal with the 2 meter/70 cm antenna without a tuner but correct me if I'm wrong.
 

gary in ohio

Explorer
Why not put a mount on the safari rack. There are a number of flip down antennas. that way you get the height VHF/UHF needs and the head room for the garage.
 

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