Why the Jeep Wrangler is the new Defender.

Dendy Jarrett

Expedition Portal Admin
Staff member
Hmmm, I have owned my AEV for 8 months or so now. Haven't (knock on wood) had to do one thing. I can't say that about ANY land rover I ever owned. Most needed 'something' done to them within the first week or two!! An usually at a huge expense. Try pricing a DI or DII O2 sensor to that of a Jeep, and you can't get a LR O2 sensor at NAPA or Auto Zone!
The argument is futile.
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dugedug

New member
Hmmm, I have owned my AEV for 8 months or so now. Haven't (knock on wood) had to do one thing. I can't say that about ANY land rover I ever owned. Most needed 'something' done to them within the first week or two!! An usually at a huge expense. Try pricing a DI or DII O2 sensor to that of a Jeep, and you can't get a LR O2 sensor at NAPA or Auto Zone!
The argument is futile.
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I've had the opposite experience comming from the LR3 to my 12 JKUR. My LR3 was great and only had one problem (hi/lo solenoid which was most likely my fault) and put on almost 90k miles on it. I'm currently waiting for my jeeps cylinder head to die cause I'm in the early build block that has had alot of failures... but my tranny is starting to shift at odd times and that may go first though. This along with alot of QC issues throughout the Jeep and worse gas mileage than the LR3 has made me miss my LR alot more. In the end, Jeep has its issues just as LR does (NHTSA just expanded their fire investigation to 2007-2012 year wranglers).

Also, the LR3 isn't a DI or DII. LR had something like a 60% decrease in the number of service requests between the DII and LR3. Which is my LR has been slowly moving up on the reliability rankings. I would love to see the numbers on service calls for the Defender to be able to properly compare them.
 
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marktutone

Adventurer
Well that blog post was excellent. For me an amateur/weekend warrior overlander hearing that being said about the jeep puts my mind in a whole other place when I drive my 2000 Jeep TJ Sahara addition. Also the Vimeo video post Expedicion de Las Americas really proves to me the jeep is a real expedition vehicle. I have read different stories of other people attempting to pass the Darien Gap and they did not do to well in their Land Rovers.
 

X-plorenow

Adventurer
Jeeps reliability record has been as bad as LRs for a long time. I think LR has actually been besting Jeep in the past couple of years... Maybe the article had hidden meaning :coffeedrink:

I have recently owned 3 Land Rover Discovery's. ALL needed new engines. I have had 10 plus Jeeps varying in ages from the 90's until present. I had trouble with some of the older Wranglers with oil gaskets etc. But I have had O issues with my more recent wranglers. My 02 touch pounding and ran until I rolled it down a mountain in CO. My current 09 is running like a charm.

All you have to do is read the Land Rover forums and they are ALL postings of tech issues. Not many on the Jeep side, just Jeep mods.

I believe that Dendy can attest but we were all just blinded by the oval. It is not a quality product.
 

Nomad110

New member
I agree with the article. the D90 will always be a badarse truck but I think it has reached it limit.

I really don't understand why people think the D90 has reached it's limit. Yes it costs more to purchase and maybe more to maintain but if you set money aside I think a well restored D-90 or D-110 is a better all around Overland vehicle then a Jeep. Parts really are available overnight anywhere from US or Europe if you are willing to pay the shipping fees which you would be if it keeps your trip going. Payload is much higher on the Defender. It is more solid and far simpler then a 2012 JKRU. The engine options on a Defender are far greater then a modern (US) Jeep. You can run a 200tdi with a single wire if you needed to. I'm going out on a limb here and saying, money aside, the Defender is always a better solution then a modern Jeep or anything else for that matter. FLAME ON!
 

jdzl

Member
I'd take a 300GD... Which begs an interesting question - you can still buy a G in the US, but you can't buy a [new] Defender... Shouldn't we be talking about them? :sombrero: Yes the cost is astronomical, and they only come in footballer trim here, but underneath it all they're still basically the same old truck.
 

Metcalf

Expedition Leader
I really don't understand why people think the D90 has reached it's limit. Yes it costs more to purchase and maybe more to maintain but if you set money aside I think a well restored D-90 or D-110 is a better all around Overland vehicle then a Jeep. Parts really are available overnight anywhere from US or Europe if you are willing to pay the shipping fees which you would be if it keeps your trip going. Payload is much higher on the Defender. It is more solid and far simpler then a 2012 JKRU. The engine options on a Defender are far greater then a modern (US) Jeep. You can run a 200tdi with a single wire if you needed to. I'm going out on a limb here and saying, money aside, the Defender is always a better solution then a modern Jeep or anything else for that matter. FLAME ON!

There are only so many D90s and D110s in the USA.

You can go order a new JK any day of the week.

I would like to see Jeep offer a more utilitarian version of the JK in the USA market ( and world wide for that matter ) but there capacity is already maxed at the plant to keep up with only the current demand. The J7 concept was great, the J8 project was great, etc. I think they basically need a special order division to cater to the odd-man market. I feel there is a MUCH broader market for the JK than is currently realized by the Jeep, not only in the USA, but also abroad as a DIRECT competitor for the Toyota, Land rover, and Nissan market segment.
 

jdzl

Member
My fear is that they'll eventually get rid of the Sport trim - it's the last bastion of a reasonably spartan interior with manual stuff. They actually advertise the fact that you can pull the carpets, pull the drains and hose out the interior. Not many other manufacturers (at least in the USA) would be willing to display that prominently in their literature, even it were a feature.
 

Dendy Jarrett

Expedition Portal Admin
Staff member
I really don't understand why people think the D90 has reached it's limit. Yes it costs more to purchase and maybe more to maintain but if you set money aside I think a well restored D-90 or D-110 is a better all around Overland vehicle then a Jeep. Parts really are available overnight anywhere from US or Europe if you are willing to pay the shipping fees which you would be if it keeps your trip going. Payload is much higher on the Defender. It is more solid and far simpler then a 2012 JKRU. The engine options on a Defender are far greater then a modern (US) Jeep. You can run a 200tdi with a single wire if you needed to. I'm going out on a limb here and saying, money aside, the Defender is always a better solution then a modern Jeep or anything else for that matter. FLAME ON!

Nomad: You have one of the nicest 110's in the Country. I too have owned a very similar truck. I loved the very feeling just looking at the truck and driving the truck left me with. Just to see it in the drive made you think back to watching Wild Kingdom on Sunday nights as a kid.
You knew there wasn't a place it couldn't take you. But, a few things were true about the truck. It was hot in the summer and cold in the winter! My wife and kids hated this. Despite much work with sound dampening material, it was loud as rip inside when you were driving down the interstate and even though mine had a 4.6 installed, still top speed was like 75 without the temp guage starting to climb. (and at that speed, you really didn't feel safe based on the very design on the truck).
Yes, drive by wire, can be a good thing in Mozambique, but hardly necessary in most of North and South America. True you can fly parts in but the very reference I did to O2 sensors- Jeep - like $20 bucks each and takes 2. Land Rover - $299.00 each and takes 4.
The 110 despite many efforts to correct these problems and thwart them- Leaked when it rained, electrolosis on the lower doors (even though repaired twice), 2 water pumps in a two year period, two fuel pumps in a two year period, rust was a constant battle on the rear cross member, and my truck had never seen any further north than Virginia.

So, there are points where you decide in life, ... form or function, difficult or easy, wrench or go.

I can say this emphatically, ... Land Rover IS indeed moving away from it's roots and heritage. Jeep had, ... and realized the err of their ways, and all marketing, commercials, ads, tie-ins with Tread Lightly, Concept Vehicles and partnerships with the likes of AEV show that they are serious when it comes to supporting the lifestyle that comes with the ownership of these trucks.

Soapbox yielded.
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NOMADIC_LJ

Explorer
I'm going out on a limb here and saying,money aside, the Defender is always a better solution then a modern Jeep or anything else for that matter. FLAME ON!

Wasn't even going to comment till I see that little gem thrown in there. I think it speaks for itself.
 

Christian P.

Expedition Leader
Staff member
Not that we can easily drive over there, but Jeep seems available in China too

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/23/jeep-wrangler-dragon-design-concept-slithers-into-china/

wrangler-dragon.jpg
 

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