lens advice

jham

Adventurer
just bought and received a Canon EOS 1 from John here on the forum. I'm fairly new to 35mm world, so spare some slack.

I have a 70-300 lens for it. I'm looking to get at least one more lens for it before I leave for Africa. I want a good portrait lens to take pictures of kids and the people I meet. What say ye?

Also, how do you control blur on these 35mm cameras? If I am correct, the new vibration reduction lenses do not work, right? Is the only solution to use a tripod?
 

Rallyroo

Expedition Leader
just bought and received a Canon EOS 1 from John here on the forum. I'm fairly new to 35mm world, so spare some slack.

I have a 70-300 lens for it. I'm looking to get at least one more lens for it before I leave for Africa. I want a good portrait lens to take pictures of kids and the people I meet. What say ye?

Also, how do you control blur on these 35mm cameras? If I am correct, the new vibration reduction lenses do not work, right? Is the only solution to use a tripod?

For more of a walk-around lens look for something that covers 28-70mm. I prefer a wider walk around lens so I use a 17-55. Your 70-300 covers the telephoto end.

The vibration reduction/image stabilization lenses do work in some applications, but it depends on what you're shooting. If your subject is moving fast while light levels are low, the vibration reduction will not help you there. When you're in a museum where tripods are not allowed, the VR/IS may be helpful. When shooting landscapes in low light conditions, using a tripod is a better choice.

In general, the slowest you want to shoot is based on the focal length you are using. So if you're using a 200mm lens, the slowest you want to handhold down to is 1/200th of a second. VR/IS will give you about a extra 1-2 stops so you may be able to shoot down to 1/100 or 1/50.
 

DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
If Religion and Guns are too tame for you ...

hop on to any photography forum and discuss what lenses to take to Africa. Mix in a question about UV filters and you can watch thousands of electrons die terrible deaths. :)

To try to give a serious, short answer:

-- Assuming that the lens is of decent quality, 70-300mm is a great lens. The "portrait" range is normally considered to be 70-105mm. (This is all calculated full, 35mm frame. I am not a Canon freak, so I don't know if the EOS 1 is full frame. If not (that is, it is a "cropped sensor,") then your 70-300mm is more like a 100-450mm - which is great for portraits and even better for candids in the market and critters in the bush.) Bottom line - excellent choice of lens. (I own a Nikon 70-300mm.)

-- In the old days, I used to use two bodies - one with a 135mm (for candids, portraits, etc.) and a 35mm for wide shots. I tried a 28mm and found that it simply reduced mighty mountains and sweeping vistas to boring nothing. (28mm and wider can be very useful inside buildings, etc.) With a 50mm, on the other hand, I would always have to stop and backup. 35mm was a great compromise.

-- So there are really two ways to go about your question. The first would be to look for a 35mm prime (24mm if cropped sensor) or a mid-zoom that covers the 24 - 70mm range. (I own a 24-70mm Nikon.)

-- The other approach is to go for a "super-zoom" (20-135mm) lens. Problem here is that Canon doesn't really make a good one, and I would not trust to third party lens to be any good over such a wide range. The big reason for using such a lens is that you are always ready and never have to change lenses in the bush, dust, etc. (I own a Nikon 18-200mm.)

Given all that, I would tend to echo Rallyroo and suggest that you go for the fastest mid-zoom you can afford. (That will help with your lower light work.) to which end, get a flash if you can - sometimes wonderful opportunities at night and inside houses.

Some terms:

-- Lens speed means ability to shoot in lower light, as expressed by F stop. (F1.4 is very, very fast; F8, shower.)

-- Shutter speed (fraction of a second) stops action (person running) or camera shake (excited photographer who has just noticed the charging critter). Blurry pictures? Faster shutter/better technique!

-- Stabilization/vibration reduction is a nice feature built into better long (telephoto) lenses which helps to compensate for camera shake; i.e. your unsteady hands. Allows you to use a slower shutter speed - doesn't NOT stop action of running kids, critters, etc.

Rules of thumb:

-- With a lens of 135mm or shorter, you can avoid shake at speeds of 1/125 or faster. (1/60 and slower is possible if you practice, lean against something, etc.) Tripping the shutter is like shooting a gun - smooth, slow, don't jerk or stab, you shouldn't know when the shutter will trip.

-- As noted, when shooting tele, minimum speed should be focal length of lens. That is, 300mm lens, minimum is 1/300. (OK, 1/250) If, considering crop factor, you wanted to argue for 1/500, I would agree. Especially for moving kids, etc.

-- Most lenses are at their sharpest when stopped down two stops. If all else fails, F8 is a good compromise for sharpness and depth of field in "tourist" pictures.

-- Shoot posed portraits at F11 and always focus on the nearest eye. (Assures that the whole face will be very sharp.) If outside with a "busy" backdrop, take a second shot wide open, or only one step down. If you are lucky, this second shot will give you the face in focus and the background blurred.

Finally, buy a good SLR book, "Dummies" or similar. Doesn't cost much, will put you to sleep on the plane, and will let you assess the value of my rants.

N.B. There are a number of pro and semi-pro photographers on this forum. Study their photos and heed their counsel.

Have a good, safe trip!
 
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nwoods

Expedition Leader
-- The other approach is to go for a "super-zoom" (20-135mm) lens. Problem here is that Canon doesn't really make a good one...

They do now! The EF 24-105 F4 L lens is pretty nice. Appears to be a great walkaround lens. I'm thinking of adding one to the lineup. Currently, I use a 16-35mm F2.8 L that I love love love, but every now and then I want something longer, and my 70-200 is a bit much unless I am doing a photography oriented trip and I'm prepared for the inconvenience of it.
 

bigreen505

Expedition Leader
Pick up a couple cheap lenses for that camera, you'll love them -- 50/1.8 (about $100) and 85/1.8 (about $300). Just good to have, not necessarily "Africa" lenses.

Any Canon EF series lens will work on that camera.
 

hks3sgte

César Gómez
just bought and received a Canon EOS 1 from John here on the forum. I'm fairly new to 35mm world, so spare some slack.

I have a 70-300 lens for it. I'm looking to get at least one more lens for it before I leave for Africa. I want a good portrait lens to take pictures of kids and the people I meet. What say ye?

Also, how do you control blur on these 35mm cameras? If I am correct, the new vibration reduction lenses do not work, right? Is the only solution to use a tripod?

Great camera! I will second what "bigreen" said an go for either a nifty fifty (50mm f/1.8) or the 85mm f/1.8 for portraits. You cannot go wrong with Canon Prime Lenses. I'm sure that 70-300mm lens will not give you the image quality you are looking for. A 50mm and 85mm (and a wide angle) is pretty much all you need.
 

Stealth 4x4

Adventurer
I agree, for your intended purposes, that 70-300 is going to be too much lens in a lot of instances. If you don't want to be constantly trying to step back to take the picture, you'd be smart to get a wider-angle lens. I personally favor a 24-120 VR zoom for that scenario you mentioned. But there are many decent wide angle zoom lenses out there. For a frame of reference, the human eye approximates a 50mm lens, so anything longer (larger number than 50mm) is considered telephoto, and anything shorter (smaller number than 50mm) is considered wide-angle. So a 50mm lens does not have to magnify or pull back, which is why 50mm lenses are so darned nice and sharp, clear, free of chromatic abberration, etc. We all love our 50's for that reason... they just take fabulous photos.

Since I'm into birds and butterflies, I wouldn't go to Africa without either my 300 2.8 or 400 2.8 plus my favorite macro lens. But for what you described, your 70-300 plus a wide angle zoom and you're set. Have fun! Post up some pics on your return.
 

DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
Do remember ...

The EOS-1 is almost certainly a cropped sensor.

(STOP PRESS - I could be very wrong on this. Seems that there is an EOS-1 film camera: http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/eos/EOS-1/index.htm So, everything that follows, while correct, may be irrelevant. [Which is what Beloved Spouse says I am anyway!])

That means that a 50mm, although nice and sharp, is already into short tele range. Useful as a portrait lens, perhaps, but not for capturing markets, etc. 35mm=50mm and 24mm is closer to 35mm. (Ironically, while I am an avowed tele freak, as noted above, I found 50mm too long, even on a full frame camera, hence my love of my old Pentax SMC Takumar 35/F2.0. Obviously, everyone "sees" differently.)

Not sure how much weight you want to carry, but a dedicated 85mm is a lot of extra glass to carry on your back for a few months. (Lovely lens, however.)

Unless the Canon 70-300mm is just trash, the IQ at 70-80mm, stopped down to F8 or F11 should be fine. In any case, many Africans will not let you get that close, even for a posed shot. So if you want head and shoulders reach is good. That's why I loved my SMC Takumar 135/F2.5. (And may the b@sterd$ who stole them in Maun find that all of their pans are dry!)

My walking around lens is either the Nikkor 18-200mmVR if I want the range or the stupidly expensive and awesomely lovely Nikkor 24-70/F2.8 if I want the quality. And yes, I can see the difference. On a 1.5 cropped body this gives me 36mm-105mm. (I would be in hog heaven if it went to 135mm equivalent. Nikon has a mid zoom that goes to 120mm, but it does not enjoy a great reputation.

Nikon's latest 70-300mmVR is probably their sleeper lens. A new design, it is part of the their "prosumer" line, but is often as sharp as their "pro" 70-200mmVR. It is not F2.8, but it is a fraction of the weight and sharper in the corners on full frame.

Crop Factor bafflegab explained: http://www.digital-slr-guide.com/crop-factor.html

As always, YMMV.

Note for Stealth 4x4: Since you have already paid the $$$$ for a 400mm/F2.8, get yourself a 1.7x extender and a crop body and you are in critter heaven!
 
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bigreen505

Expedition Leader
IMO Canon's most underrated lens is the 400/5.6. Small and easy to handle, as sharp as the super teles and reasonably inexpensive. Unfortunately not available with IS.
 

UK4X4

Expedition Leader
"I'm fairly new to 35mm world"

mmmm I was 12 years old when I bought my first 35mm slr..russian made..digital...hehehehhehehhe I seem to remember using a spanner after rainy days

so I've forgotten more than I know:)

"I own a Nikon 18-200mm"

funilly enough I just ordered one of those ...for my now ancient D70........hopefully it will be here before the weekend as we're off to Sri lanka for 3 weeks.

The reviews were pretty dam good for a lens with such a large range
 
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DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
18-200mmVR

Terrible lens, not sharp at all, horrible distortions, you won't like it.

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(Note proof of piety.)

Not enough resolution to crop.

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No good for wildlife.

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(OK, I'll grant you that I would liked a bit more reach for that one.)

You won't like the color, either.

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The lens you take, when you can only take one.
 
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Lost Canadian

Expedition Leader
At first I liked the 18-200VR, but unfortunaly the more time I spent with it, the more frustrated I became with its shortcomings. It's now long gone. To be completely honest, I'd rather be straddled with a good fixed focal length, over the 18-200. Perhaps my eyes are just getting too picky the more I do this photog thing. Below is a case of one of the 18-200's shortcomings. This is a 100% crop from a shot taking with the 18-200 on a 10 mp camera, about a year ago. Narsty CA, and soft considering this was taken using a tripod.

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Lost Canadian

Expedition Leader
Trevor,

But how did you get such results?

Results??? Well, for the answer to the picture above you'd have to ask Nikon... Small web based displays are fine, and smaller MP cameras like the D70s, D40 etc are more forgiving and probably OK, but once you get into the 10,12,+ range, a lenses short comings really start to show. Also for web display the 18-200 is probably great, but for printing, not so much.

Oh here is the original from the shot above, looks great small, not so much printed.

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jham

Adventurer
still wading through the info, but what I've gathered is that I was wrong about one thing. The EF lenses with the Image Stabilization will work on this old 35mm?
 

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