04 Taco brake shake diagnosis help

beerhiker

Adventurer
Hello all. 04 Taco DC, during mountain driving on long downhills when the brakes are getting hot im getting a vibration through steering wheel when apply brakes, otherwise fine during everyday driving. Also having what feels like a out of balance tire at 55mph and above, not sure if they are related but going to have balance done tomorrow. Could this be from warped rotors?
I did change the brake pads in May, not sure if that has anything to do with it either. Ideas?
Thanks
 

crawler#976

Expedition Leader
It's pretty common for Taco's to do that. I've cured mine several times by following the instructions below:

http://www.zeckhausen.com/bedding_in_brakes.htm

When following these instructions, avoid doing it around other vehicles. Bedding is often best done early in the morning, when traffic is light, since other drivers will have no idea what you are up to and will respond in a variety of ways ranging from fear to curiosity to aggression. An officer of the law will probably not understand when you try to explain why you were driving erratically! Zeckhausen Racing does not endorse speeding on public roads and takes no responsibility for any injuries or tickets you may receive while following these instructions.

1. From a speed of about 60mph, gently apply the brakes a couple of times to bring them up to operating temperature. This prevents you from thermally shocking the rotors and pads in the next steps.

2. Make a series of eight near-stops from 60 to about 10 mph. Do it HARD by pressing on the brakes firmly, just shy of locking the wheels or engaging ABS. At the end of each slowdown, immediately accelerate back to 60mph. DO NOT COME TO A COMPLETE STOP! If you stop completely and sit for any length of time with your foot on the brake pedal, you will imprint pad material onto the hot rotors, which can lead to vibration, uneven braking, and could even ruin the rotors. With some less aggressive street pads, you may need fewer than eight near-stops. If your pedal gets soft or you feel the brakes going away, then you've done enough. Proceed to the next step.

3. The brakes may begin to fade slightly after the 7th or 8th near-stop. This fade will stabilize, but not completely go away until the brakes have fully cooled. A strong smell from the brakes, and even smoke, is normal.

4. After the 8th near-stop, accelerate back up to speed and cruise for a while, using the brakes as little as possible. The brakes need 5 to 10 minutes to cool down. Try not to become trapped in traffic or come to a complete stop while the brakes are still hot.

5. If club race pads, such as Hawk Blue, are being used, add four near-stops from 80 to 10mph. If full race pads, such as Performance Friction 01 or Hawk HT 14, are being used, add four near-stops from 100 to 10 mph.

6. After the break-in cycle, there should be a slight blue tint and a light gray film on the rotor face. The blue tint tells you the rotor has reached break-in temperature and the gray film is pad material starting to transfer onto the rotor face. This is what you are looking for. The best braking occurs when there is an even layer of of pad material deposited across the face of the rotors. This minimizes squealing, increases braking torque, and maximizes pad and rotor life.

7. After the first break in cycle shown above, the brakes may still not be fully broken in. A second bed-in cycle, AFTER the brakes have cooled down fully from the first cycle, may be necessary before the brakes really start to perform well. This is especially true if you have installed new pads on old rotors. If you've just installed a big brake kit, the pedal travel may not feel as firm as you expected. After the second cycle, the pedal will become noticeably firmer. If necessary, bleed the brakes to improve pedal firmness.

While this is for new pads, it works for old ones as well.

Mark
 

mtn-high

Observer
I also experience this from time-to-time on my '04 Tundra DC and '02 Tacoma DC (to a lesser extent). A few things that helped here...

I asked Bighorn about this. They said to make sure the reservoir on the fluid is topped off well...even above the mark.

He also suggested pumping the pedal 2-3 times before applying harder pressure when possible (like on a grade).

My suggestion: BLAST the rotors/pads/etc with a pressure washer. I did this and couldn't believe the BS that came out....what appeared to be old/dried sand/grit and small rocks...and though I couldn't see it...i suspect a healthy layer of mag chloride held it all together. There could be something like this stuff welded in place inside your hub/etc that is making it out of balance. It's wicked ******t!!

I haven't noticed the shake since.

good luck

mtn
 

Cackalak Han

Explorer
I personally have had this happen to 2 of my Toyota's. Both times, it was the rotors that warped. You can either turn it or get new ones (recommended). I got the Autozone Duralast rotors which have 2 year warranty. Then some ceramic pads ( I used Autozone again, but Hawk LTS's are good, too.).
 

beerhiker

Adventurer
need to revisit this: bedded the brakes, washed em out, checked the fluid level and got a 4 wheel balance....still shaken at 55mph - 75mph, nothing below that. I still think I possibly have warped rotors (shake when hot on downhills mtns) just getting minute shake through the steering wheel, Ive convinced myself its from the rear now because its a whole truck shake. So my next step is to have rear rechecked for balance before I go rotors. This all started after some mild off roading, so could it be shock related or ??? Trying to nail this down before a road trip in 3 weeks, its buggin the crap out of me.
Thanks
 

Photog

Explorer
Is the truck lifted?

If so; how much caster was dialed in, during the alignment? Low caster settings can cause both of your problems.

If that is all fine, I would also suspect rotor warping.

Never set your E-brake, with the brakes hot.
 

beerhiker

Adventurer
no lift, all stock.
ok, next step will be double check balance of rear then go get some new rotors. can I replace rotors without pads or do I need to purchase as set? I have new pads on there only approx 3 mos old/4k miles.
 

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