2021 Savana 2500 2.8l Duramax, Tufport Van top. Sportsman/Clydesdale 4x4. Why or why not?

TooSteep

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Some recent good fortune has put me in a position to buy the van of my dreams. I'm just not certain what exactly that is :)

It will be for 2-person travel, 6-8 weeks at a time, driving from Vancouver, B.C. to Arizona and Utah with a lot of mountain biking.

Wants:

Compact overall length. We like to go out to meals in small town restaurants as much as possible. We don't ever want to be dissuaded because our van is too much hassle to maneuver or park. This is why I lean towards a van over a truck. I also want to make use of the 2 seats by using swivels for both and having them be part of our lounging area.

Ventilation. We like a lot of fresh air and as much breeze as possible. Lots of windows and a couple of 12V fans at a minimum, as well as dual overhead fans.

Really, really comfortable bed. 6 week trips are not fun if the bed is uncomfortable. In the past we have used a quality mattress, with a sheepskin wool topper and a full down duvet. Randomly organized lumpy cushions will not cut it.

Storage for 2 mountain bikes and gear. As well as golf clubs and some clothes.

Won't be used for rock crawling, but I don't want to get stuck on rutted muddy roads and soaked, pot-holed grass fields. Want it to hold up when we go deep into FSRs.

On-demand hot water for outdoor showers with a pop-up shower enclosure. When mountain biking and living in a van, daily hot showers are a must.

Easy to cook outdoors 90% of the time.

Lots of battery storage, in case we ever get eBikes. Want to really optimize charging the batteries while driving, along with solar.

Apart from the batteries (LiIon), bed and the water, I'd like to keep the interior build as lightweight as possible. I'm partial towards soft storage over cabinets as much as possible.


Since the Ford e-series vans are no longer (I'd be happy to get a cutaway with an total composites box, and and aftermarket 4x4 conversion, but I do not have the skills to undertake such a thing myself. The example of these on here look fantastic.), I've been wondering about the GMC vans?

There is a single 2.8l Duramax Savana 2500 cargo van at a dealer here, and I was wondering if it is enough engine to support a Tufport van top (https://tufport.com/van-tops/) and a Sportsman/Clydesdale 4x4 conversion (https://www.clydesdalevans.com/chev-2500-3500-4wd-conversions)?

The idea of excellent fuel economy appeals to me, as our trips south are a least 5,000 miles each, but I'm not stuck on it. The scarcity of the 2.8l diesels scares me a bit.

Back of the napkin would put one of these around $90,000 CDN ($52,000 for the van. $12,000 for the Tufport, and $26,000 for the 4x4 conversion with wheels and tires) + interior buildout. Is there a better way to spend $90,000?
 

Scotty D

Active member
12k for the tuffport? I thought they were half that.
I have the Express AWD and I love it but if I had to start with a brand new unit it would be a midroof transit in the shortest available cargo length. Then a quigley 4x4 conversion
Pre pandemic this was actually pretty reasonably priced
I would also stay away from diesel just because of all the DEF complications . Its just too much to worry about out in the bush and I spend a lot of time in Mexico
 

whith

Active member
Clydesdale has a good reputation for making a nice riding quality conversion and I don’t think you’ll have any problems at all going to the type of places you describe offroad. Onroad, the IFS is absolutely going to make you a happier camper. I daily drive my Quigley short wheel base Express and it’s easy to park, get around town, and a pleasure to spend hours in on road.

Regarding the 2.8 Duramax, Weldtec has a video on their YouTube channel where he test drives one after putting a lift on it. You may check it out. I don’t think you’re going to win any races but the power should be sufficient. There are Sprinters all over the roads these days with similar power ratings.
 
Re DEF/ULSD: the trend towards desulfurization of fuel is strong and irreversible. Countries that used to be 5-10000ppm are now 1/10 as much. Even 2-300ppm won’t kill SCR catalyst immediately.
I haven’t driven in Mexico since 2007, but I think the highest one would find is 500ppm. Supposedly Baja, other border areas and smoggy places like Valle de Mexico are ULSD.
Maybe another reader has first hand recent Baja or border state experience.
In my younger days, when I grew up in California, Mexican diesel was 5 or even 10000ppm. And it really put out the BTUs. But it also had a really high cloud point. Like #3 diesel.
 

TooSteep

Observer
How can anyone look at this and not immediately want to lop off the front 8 feet or so. The livable space is less than half!This Ram 3500 Cummins Truck Camper Is the Cure for Your Sprinter 4x4 Lust! 0-22 screenshot.png

North America soooo needs a robust, compact van-type vehicle for camper conversions.
 

scottrinne

Member
Are the options you listed a dream list or a must have list that you put together after using a van for a month or two? ...It might sound odd, but I would suggest not buying your dream van right now...rather, just buy a cheaper one that is already converted. (Roadtek, sportsmobile, DIY, etc) Once you spend some time in it, then your dream list might change. ...either way, I'm excited for you and it will be fun!
 

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Christian P.

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Looks like you just described a Ford Transit AWD. And you get the benefit of being able to take it over to Mexico should you decide to (over a modern diesel).
 

Christian P.

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Are the options you listed a dream list or a must have list that you put together after using a van for a month or two? ...It might sound odd, but I would suggest not buying your dream van right now...rather, just buy a cheaper one that is already converted. (Roadtek, sportsmobile, DIY, etc) Once you spend some time in it, then your dream list might change. ...either way, I'm excited for you and it will be fun!


 

Herbie

Rendezvous Conspirator
Although I would never call a Dodge full size truck (or an e-series chassis) "compact", what you describe just has to be built.
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You know, with the current E-series and Transit cutaways, this would be a pretty easy thing to put together. I'd be looking into it if we didn't absolutely need seating for a 3rd passenger. (Jumpseat options pretty limited for the C&C vans due to depth of cab and doghouse, etc.)
 

b. rock

Active member
It's past your budget but: https://www.winnebago.com/models/product/motorhomes/class-c/ekko

That thing is only a couple feet longer than an extended van. Shorter than some full size trucks. Weighs about what most built out camper vans weigh.

Adding a camper body to the back of a E350 has been on many people's minds but isn't as cheap as you'd want it to be. When I talked to Phoenix campers about it, it was going to be ~$60k+. I'm sure you can DIY for far less but there are some mounting complexities to deal with.

What you're describing isn't far off of my goal and I'm doing it on an extended E350 only because a 4x4 one with a cummins swap fell into my lap. Otherwise I'd start with a box van or a Transit. Bikes are very tough to store inside and keep much for useable space in an express or econoline since they taper so much towards the top. The Sprinter/Transit platform has more interior space for that kind of thing and both offer some flavor of awd/4x4.
 

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