Aftermarket EFI?

Wonderland

Explorer
Any recommendations on a specific brand?

I decided to build a better tow rig than my underpowered Tacoma. It will have to haul a couple dirt bikes in the bed, and pull a 19' Airstream.

The vehicle is going to be a 70's era Ford crew cab, with most likely with a 390. (No I don't want a diesel swap!:ylsmoke:) I don't care about fuel economy too much.

Basically just want a basic 4WD tow rig, without all the modern gee-gaws. Except for EFI, since most of my runs have great elevation changes. Think Baja at sea level to Colorado mountain passes.
 

benjamin

Observer
What year 70s crew cab you end up with will have alot to do with what motor you'll have, 360, 390, 351m, 400 or 460 and that will be the factor in determining what efi you can choose.
It all has to do with whether an efi manifold is available for that motor.

If your thinking the older style tbi I know Holley made a system or you could build your own from GM tbi parts.........................

http://www.diy-efi.org/diy_efi/

I went with building my own as outlined in the link above and although it worked good I was after more than the 3-4 mpg gain and ended up swapping in a diesel.

Hope this helps.
 

Cody1771

Explorer
look up Holley Pro-Jection, the kit is about $1000 bran new, its a bolt in EFi that bolts on to your 2 barrel or 4 barrel manifold, some modification of exhaust for O2 sensor ect but you can easily do it at home in a weekend. you can see them come up for sale on ebay every so often. heres the link. this is on my 2do list for my chev.

http://www.holley.com/502-20S.asp

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ntsqd

Heretic Car Camper
Why an FE series engine? There are far better Ford choices out there. Built right (i.e. nothing trick, just no smog era cam or cam timing) a 400 will pull circles around a 390, weigh less, and quite likely get better mileage. There is a certain romance to the FE's, but having lived with a couple of them they would be far down my list. For the weight involved you may as well go diesel.

To answer your question, the sky is the limit. There are many options out there. Some of them off the bottom of my head:
FAST
MegaSquirt/Jolt
Accel DFI
SDS
MoTec
Electromotive
Haltech
Holley

The best choice will depend on how sophisticated a system you want, what your budget is, if you want ignition control too (I would), and how much you are willing to tweak the maps to get the tune right.

EDIT: From what I gather if you go Edelbrock you need to buy their complete engine package. It may well be that their system is tunable for some other engine configuration, but it will come dialed in the best for their combo.
 

Wonderland

Explorer
Why an FE series engine?.

Had one in my '76 F250, it was the motor we replaced the stock 360 with.

I liked it. But open for options.

I have thought of a diesel, I think the noise would drive me nuts. Still a multi-fuel diesel is appealing.
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
I think you need to flesh out your plan a little more to get to the best answer. I've been down this road before, and it can be a long one. You need to make the right choice for the right reasons.

I bought a Pectel T2 engine management system. You probably haven't heard of it before, it's European and they typically only do professional motorsports stuff. With the T2 they were "slumming it" and offering something affordable. I went with it largely because they had a plug and play wiring harness that interfaced with the factory engine wiring harness. Also it was developed around my engine, and working basemaps were available. The system is incredible, but their support was terrible and little other support was available. It would probably still be sitting in a box if it wasn't reasonably easy to use and I was working in Ford Powertrain at the time and had access to training.

Are you going to be doing the programming yourself, or paying a "tuner"? If doing it yourself, the most important things will be ease of use, and access to help, such as forums, good manuals, etc. If paying a tuner, a key thing will be to use something he's familiar with already. No point paying him to learn a new system. And a key point about tuners... just because a guy owns a dyno, don't assume it means he has any idea what he's doing. Some tuners can barely get a car running well enough that it can idle from the trailer to their spot on the carpet. Others only know how to make them idle, or go full throttle (for about 10-15 seconds). You need to find a shop who knows how to make an engine run through the full spectrum of load and RPM, in any weather. I can only advise you to look for a shop that has a reputation for doing circuit racing cars. If all they've done is drag cars, or magazine cars... probably not going to work for you.

What are your goals? Do you just want to replace a carb so that it starts better and works at altitude? Or do you want to maximize torque and efficiency? A simple throttlebody system is a little simpler mechanically, but I don't think it's really much easier than a sequential multipoint system in terms of the programming.

I'd suggest maybe looking into a custom setup based on a Ford EEC computer. About 1 year after I did the Pectel, Ford completely opened up the architecture of this computer system and there are tons of good programmers on the market for them. They are easy to program, robust, and surprisingly high performance.
 

Root Moose

Expedition Leader
What about pulling a TBI system off a junk yard GM 454? That would be consistent with the DIY link above.
 

ntsqd

Heretic Car Camper
What Rod said, but this should be highlighted:
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I'd suggest maybe looking into a custom setup based on a Ford EEC computer. About 1 year after I did the Pectel, Ford completely opened up the architecture of this computer system and there are tons of good programmers on the market for them. They are easy to program, robust, and surprisingly high performance.
There used to be an email list devoted exclusively to using the EEC-IV on engines that it was never intended to work on. 70's era Rover 3500cc V-8 in a Morgan +8, 305c.i GMC V-6, Twin-turbo'd drag race Honda, etc. Some of those guys really knew their stuff. I've no idea what has become of that list, but I'm fairly sure that the "TwEECer" product grew off of it.
If a truly DIY approach is desired I think the EEC is an excellent starting place (IV in particular because of the online documentation).

If you are not going to go DIS, then you'll likely be needing the rare FE series Dura-Spark II distributor. They're out there, they're just not common. From direct experience the D-S II parts can be swapped into any of Ford's points dizzy's except for the FE series points dizzys. Those have a different advance weight system and do not accept the later parts. The D-S II stuff will literally drop into any other engine family's points dizzy (excluding the Y-blocks and other older stuff) with one simple housing mod - a wire clearance notch. To get to TFI you're looking at having to marry the upper and lower housing sections as well as somehow join the shafts appropriately.

What about pulling a TBI system off a junk yard GM 454? That would be consistent with the DIY link above.
In a word, those computers are Stupid. Much of a change from what their programmed for and you'll be needing to burn new chips, mess with fuel pressure, etc. Can be done, but for the work - meh.
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
The thing about the EEC V system that makes it so easy is... Just plug in your engine configuration and displacement, and that's often enough to get it running.

I had to figure out my PID loop settings for the idle air valve, and transient fuel correction, injector voltage compensation, injection end angle... a whole bunch of stuff you never knew about... all from scratch.

Oh, and another big decision point is do you want a MAF or a Speed Density (MAP) system?

Not to scare the guy off. This is all doable, but you just have to figure out what you want. The Holley systems and the other simple American systems, I don't have much experience with them, they look almost over-simplified to me. I've only looked at the full-featured systems. There's a lot to them, but the rewards are great.
 
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chet

island Explorer
I would love to build a 70's era 4 door ford! I had my eyes on a '79 f350 in really nice shape but it sold before i could get the cash.

FAST make a bolt on super simple EFI system http://www.fuelairspark.com/ezefi/default.asp

I have no idea on price but for what you want it would sure make it easy! bolts to any 4 bbl manifold.
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
That FAST system looks reasonably decent. It's pretty simple, but it's probably what most people need. It won't make the most power or the best fuel efficiency, but it should be an improvement on a carb.
 

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